Illegally Downloading Music

[SCope13]

Vinyl sales up almost 40% in 2011

[Cornbreadddd]

^ Never known anyone rim a producer as much as you do Biome.

Hahaha Biome? Makes me question if you're talking to me, but if you are, I mentioned TMSV in my post, so I'm not so sure where you got Biome.

But as for rimming producers, I definitely ride/cling for dear life at the bottom of Commodo's, Silkie's, and Heny G's nut-sack.

I do fucking love Biome though, can't wait for MUD004 / MUV001 !!!!

[garethom]

Also honestly if the labels and artists aren't making any money it's likely the music will stop. Not because they're only in it for the money but because actually it costs money to put shit out really.

I also hate this attitude that artists SHOULD make their money by touring/playing out. What if the artist doesn't want to do that? They don't deserve anything? Burial makes constant artistic gold, but he doesn't want to play out, so he shouldn't expect anything back? That's like the company I work for refusing to pay me for my standard days work, saying I should make it up in overtime. Don't kid yourself.

Value music enough that you're willing to spend the price of one pint at a pub on a digital ep. You can buy a track for the same price as a packet of crisps man.

[bass_culture]

Music to me is art, and I think that most people have a similar mindset like mine.

I should just wander in to the Tate Modern and help myself then should I?

[leyenda]

I'm curious, what do people think of what I and a few other people have said about using it as a last resort to sample music when other avenues - soundcloud, spotify, grooveshark, youtube, radio shows etc aren't available? No one seems to have given their thoughts on that. And I'll emphasise again that generally isn't too much of a problem with dubstep from 2005 onwards, this is more of a problem with older stuff from other genres.

[Stigmatism]

I'm a student but still manage to part with around £1000 each year on music (I earn that money too, rather than from the loan or parents). This is, I feel, a very reasonable amount to spend on music each year though inevitably I can't buy everything that I would like to buy. So yes I download music, and a lot of it at that, I show my music to a lot of people so although I'm not buying music sometimes I am ultimately giving the artsits exposure and increasing their fan base.

Of course its important for people to pay for music, and the music industry relies on this, but if people are not in a position to buy music then I would far rather they download it ilegally and show the artists support in another way... for example liking them on facebook

[llennnn16]

I buy when i can't find it already online, or if i want a better quality rip. i've been buying a lot of vinyl lately and mp3s. other than that, im too broke to buy everything i want, i have an addiction to music, and not enough to buy it all.

i do go and pay when an artist is having an event. Jack Sparrow and Lurka are coming on the 28th to NYC and i will def pay to see them.

i dont feel that bad to be honest. and if it was the other way around with people stealing my tracks (which i do have btw) i wouldn't mind, because it's that fact that they like it enough to listen to it. also i wouldnt charge for it anyway. free stuff is the best stuff.

[notdecidedmusic]

If I am trying out listening to different types of music I won't buy. But once I am a fan then I buy all there shit and go to their shows and buy merch.

[Pistonsbeneath]

will i become less profitable if everyone torrents my ep in a few weeks or is it a case of looking at this data you speak of?

Well imo, producers in an underground music scene shouldn't be making music solely for money, it's a fact that releases will get pirated. And so will yours. You know that you'll barely be making money off of it,
If I were you I'd just be happy if you got positive feedback from your listeners and take the money you've earned with your releases as an extra.

I agree though, this is harsh and it shouldn't be like this, I can completely understand that you wouldn't like it if people illegally downloaded your music that you've worked hard on. Of course it would be fantastic if everyone would just pay for it, but that's just not going to happen. And it's just a waste of your time and energy to be worrying, complaining and even thinking about that because nothing is going to change.
Not unless Obama signs the E-PARASITE law.

who said ANYTHING about solely for money?

wake up people deserve to be paid end of....there are no excuses and the reality of the situation is irrelevent..were talking about the principle here. if you havent paid for music you dont have the right to it unless the artist gave it to you

[wearecorsairs]

i don't agree with your opinion
not sure we'll mind too much if/when people download our music for free

edit: sounded really confrontational for no reason

[Today]

if music production became your career, you'd start to care.

[wearecorsairs]

if music production became your career, you'd start to care.

music production will be my career
but so will playing live, and industry, and anything else i feel like doing

i simply can't say that downloading is bad when the only reason i have such broad influences is due to the amount of music i pirated back in the early 2000's

[vishes]

if music production became your career, you'd start to care.

Maybe. But that would still be a massive fucking waste of time.

Stop caring cos it aint gonna change.

[Muncey]

i simply can't say that downloading is bad when the only reason i have such broad influences is due to the amount of music i pirated back in the early 2000's

This. I think its different for the older generation but anybody who had internet in their early teens would probably have been downloading music. I remember being about 13/14 and downloading grime mixtapes which you could really only get on like the markets of london or what-not... being able to easily listen to stuff that without internet i wouldn't have been able to made me passionate about the music i listen to now (still at school, wasn't earning money and a lot of stuff i was listening to was underground and coming from london where i do not live). I can understand how back in the day the passion came from kids being in record shops listening to vinyl and stuff.. that just don't happen for youth nowadays.

[wearecorsairs]

as someone said earlier in the thread, people still made mix tapes back in the day
people are deluding themselves in a quest for moral superiority when it doesn't really matter

go to a gig and write them a cheque personally if you really want to help them out

[Pistonsbeneath]

i simply can't say that downloading is bad when the only reason i have such broad influences is due to the amount of music i pirated back in the early 2000's

This. I think its different for the older generation but anybody who had internet in their early teens would probably have been downloading music. I remember being about 13/14 and downloading grime mixtapes which you could really only get on like the markets of london or what-not... being able to easily listen to stuff that without internet i wouldn't have been able to made me passionate about the music i listen to now (still at school, wasn't earning money and a lot of stuff i was listening to was underground and coming from london where i do not live). I can understand how back in the day the passion came from kids being in record shops listening to vinyl and stuff.. that just don't happen for youth nowadays.

i think some people your age have passion thanks to hearing music through other mediums than illegal downloads...its a bit of a silly argument cmon...anyway im out seeing as noone else is really stepping in im not gonna look like the bad guy just because you all have skewed principles

[wearecorsairs]

you aren't a bad person. you have your point of view and so do we
this isn't a leak you can fix, it' a complete change of attitude towards music and how it is consumed
i'd rather tolerate it and look at ways to create revenue streams rather than rail against one subsection of people that may listen to my music

edit: my last post, i have nothing else to say on the matter

[AllNightDayDream]

if music production became your career, you'd start to care.

http://verbatimpirate.wordpress.com/

Gross generalizations. Many, many artists are perfectly fine with it. Others aren't.

[garethom]

Also honestly if the labels and artists aren't making any money it's likely the music will stop. Not because they're only in it for the money but because actually it costs money to put shit out really.

I also hate this attitude that artists SHOULD make their money by touring/playing out. What if the artist doesn't want to do that? They don't deserve anything? Burial makes constant artistic gold, but he doesn't want to play out, so he shouldn't expect anything back? That's like the company I work for refusing to pay me for my standard days work, saying I should make it up in overtime. Don't kid yourself.

Value music enough that you're willing to spend the price of one pint at a pub on a digital ep. You can buy a track for the same price as a packet of crisps man.

Bumping myself for some of the newer people bringing up the shows/sets aspect of a career in music.

[AllNightDayDream]

If they don't want to play shows, that's up to them, and burial is a notable exception as someone who makes music good enough to sit back and live off of. But to get to that point you have to be as talented as burial. If you're gonna blame pirates about not making enough money off music, while refusing to incorporate some kind of live show in your repertoire, you have no room to criticize. But again, you forget lots of people pirate burial, probably more than lesser known artists, and he still makes a big showing in sales.