Why didn't Garage take off in America?

debate, appreciation, interviews, reviews (events or releases), videos, radio shows
User avatar
Basic A
Posts: 6037
Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:53 am
Location: Pittsburgh - You might know me as Teknicyde
Contact:

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by Basic A » Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:08 pm

twothirdsmajority wrote: Why? Garage is one of those genres that should have been popular in the States, and yet the only places that you can find Garage being played are the usual Deep House/US Garage clubs in the Chicago or northeast and maybe one or two tunes played by Joe Nice.
this is bullshit, read the above post, in the US, these genres are still more popular then dubstep, dnb, ect could dream of...

Just because UK journalists only cover our dubstep scenes doesnt mean they are the only ones in existence. You said it all when you said Joe Nice is the only DJ you know of doing it. Your looking at american house/garage scenes from inside the dubstep bubble.

dubstep bubble is unhealthy, keeps you from seeing outside of it very clearly.
Soundcloud
Soundcloud

Image
:::::: Basic A. ::::: [url=hhttp://soundcloud.com/teknicyde]Teknicyde[/url] ::::: [url=hhttp://soundcloud.com/drjinx]Dr. J!nx[/url] :::::
Phantom Hertz - Fentplates - Reboot Records - Cosmology - Applied Mathematics

User avatar
fractal
Mako
Posts: 12133
Joined: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:58 pm
Location: emerald city, cascadia

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by fractal » Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:34 pm

Basic A wrote:
dubstep bubble is unhealthy, keeps you from seeing outside of it very clearly.
serious. OP hasn't been to america :t: speed garage was huge for a minute!
sub.wise:.
slow down
epochalypso wrote:man dun no bout da 'nuum

bright maroon
Posts: 4992
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:03 pm
Location: ..in high colonial, tropical low country currently - Savannah, Ga

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by bright maroon » Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:05 pm

I just don't understand why you'd want to mix a commercial R&B scene with the underground...

The vibe is absolutly-completely-in it's entirety different...



You people are not a product of the church gymnasium are you?
i bet y'all are late on catching the hermetic allegory in every episode - parsons..?
thats pretty urban. - Capture pt
i think everyone would benefit from unicorns - JTMMusicuk

Soundcloud

bright maroon
Posts: 4992
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:03 pm
Location: ..in high colonial, tropical low country currently - Savannah, Ga

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by bright maroon » Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:36 pm

cultural propaganda...

I don't need my pit bull softened...
My pit is already sweet.

If anything - My pit needs a little spurring to deal with shit issuing clowns and their big ass feet.


- as I step back into the deep deep darkness...


brown recluse

Image
i bet y'all are late on catching the hermetic allegory in every episode - parsons..?
thats pretty urban. - Capture pt
i think everyone would benefit from unicorns - JTMMusicuk

Soundcloud

User avatar
seckle
Posts: 12404
Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:58 pm

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by seckle » Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:05 pm

US radio, and all its politics, just did not know what to do with UKG/2step/dark garage/speed garage. The few terrestrial radio shows that did have UKG were slotted at 1am-3am, and other than that it was college radio and AM radio, and those both had the same schedule problems...in the middle of the night, very few listeners except for a small core following. US radio is full of fucking politics and they don't take risks, unless there is a profit motive. Back then Radio was owned by conglomerates like Clearchannel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Chan ... unications

Add to that...UKG never really had any *superstars* here in the US, which makes everything much harder. Craig David was as near as it got, and he had to be the poster boy for the whole of UKG, which was never going to work. His record label made him out to be cassanova RNB man over here, instead of a broader electronic/dance artist, which would've been more successful. The BPM at 130-140 didn't do UKG any favors either, as at that time, house was predominant in nightclubs. Jungle was still fairly new.

A few US record companies like V2 (Virgin) did do some UKG/2step compilation albums, and tried to build a market for it, but again, they aimed it at RNB's crowd instead of the electronic music crowd. This was one of the biggest cd's that came out in 2000. At that time I was working for a major label in radio promo, and I distinctly remember trying to push this album to some radio friends of mine, and them saying to me..." What am I going to do with this? Its not house. No ones going to get it..."

Image

http://www.amazon.com/Vital-2Step-Vario ... B00005IAFR

1. Re-Rewind - DJ Edit Listen
2. 138 Trek - DJ Zinc Listen
3. Down On Me - Wookie Listen
4. Call It Fate - Richie Dan Listen
5. Buddah Finger - Reservoir Dogs Inc. Listen
6. Enough Is Enough - Y Tribe Listen
7. 1999 - Groove Chronicles Listen
8. Joyrider (Y-Tribe Mix) - Colourgirl Listen
9. Melody - Master Stepz Listen
10. Happiness (XMen Remix) - Bini & Martini Listen
11. Basslick - Second Protocol Listen
12. I Feel For You - Nadine featuring Captain T Listen
13. Millenium Funk - Groove Chronicles Listen
14. Don't Give A **** - T-Tree Listen
15. Ooh Don't You Want Me - Capital T featuring Rhalia Listen

Here's also an example of the height of dance music in 1998-2000. This is the Moonshine Over America tour documentary. Arguably, one of the biggest dance music tours of that time 1998-2002. Notice that there's no UKG at all, yet house/acid house/techno/trance/jungle all heavily repped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWMXT2eg ... E00997E60B

__________
Posts: 6338
Joined: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:51 pm

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by __________ » Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:13 pm

Garage never took of in Cornwall either and I blame
twothirdsmajority wrote:stars like Craig David and Daniel bedingfield
for making the genre look silly

User avatar
Basic A
Posts: 6037
Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:53 am
Location: Pittsburgh - You might know me as Teknicyde
Contact:

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by Basic A » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:14 am

llennnn16 wrote:Timbaland was one of the ones pushing that sound and he excelled at it. That track he did with Aaliyah for the movie 'Romeo Must Die', 'Try Again' I think it was called. Champion mainstream US R&B Garage.
You realize Aaliyah was a vocalist in Chicago's house/garage scene long before her pop superstardom, right? Thats her influence on him, not his influence on her, that dude is a bitch, he took the garage vibe OUT of her...
Soundcloud
Soundcloud

Image
:::::: Basic A. ::::: [url=hhttp://soundcloud.com/teknicyde]Teknicyde[/url] ::::: [url=hhttp://soundcloud.com/drjinx]Dr. J!nx[/url] :::::
Phantom Hertz - Fentplates - Reboot Records - Cosmology - Applied Mathematics

User avatar
garethom
Posts: 13426
Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:55 pm
Location: Birmz
Contact:

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by garethom » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:51 am

Basic A wrote:
llennnn16 wrote:Timbaland was one of the ones pushing that sound and he excelled at it. That track he did with Aaliyah for the movie 'Romeo Must Die', 'Try Again' I think it was called. Champion mainstream US R&B Garage.
You realize Aaliyah was a vocalist in Chicago's house/garage scene long before her pop superstardom, right? Thats her influence on him, not his influence on her, that dude is a bitch, he took the garage vibe OUT of her...
Wasn't Aaliyah signed to major labels from the age of about 13 or something? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

User avatar
Sharmaji
Posts: 5179
Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:03 pm
Location: Brooklyn NYC
Contact:

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by Sharmaji » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:13 am

the idea of EDM being a top40 staple is, at east in the states, still a VERY new thing. Hiphop, sure, but when garage & 2step were making their rounds, the top 10 tunes in the US were largely R&B/pop R&B (Christina Aguilera at the end of her teen days, Mariah Carey, Sisqo, Janet Jackson), pure pop like Britney Spears, or really awful white dude rock-- Matchbox Twenty, Savage Garden, and Creed. The largest electronic act, overground at least-- was Moby-- and he was HUGE. but definitely not 2 step.

Yes, timbaland's stuff at the time was really broken beat and not that far off from bugz in the attic, etc-- but it was R&B and marketed as such. Madonna did have that record out at the time that really aped 2step, "Music," but even she couldn't make the whole broken beat at 130bpm thing stick.

It amazed me being in London that summer, just how prevalent d&b was in overground culture-- on the radio, in the background in shopping centers, etc. It's only with the rise of HUGE pop singles on Ultra records that the same has been happening in the states.
twitter.com/sharmabeats
twitter.com/SubSwara
subswara.com
myspace.com/davesharma
Low Motion Records, Soul Motive, TKG, Daly City, Mercury UK

User avatar
llennnn16
Posts: 273
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:41 pm
Location: NYC
Contact:

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by llennnn16 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:35 am

Basic A wrote:
llennnn16 wrote:Timbaland was one of the ones pushing that sound and he excelled at it. That track he did with Aaliyah for the movie 'Romeo Must Die', 'Try Again' I think it was called. Champion mainstream US R&B Garage.
You realize Aaliyah was a vocalist in Chicago's house/garage scene long before her pop superstardom, right? Thats her influence on him, not his influence on her, that dude is a bitch, he took the garage vibe OUT of her...
wtf are you talking about. i request concrete proof of this, cuz that sounds like bs to me.

pearsall
Posts: 415
Joined: Fri May 29, 2009 6:09 am
Location: Berlin
Contact:

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by pearsall » Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:12 am

Sharmaji wrote:the idea of EDM being a top40 staple is, at east in the states, still a VERY new thing. Hiphop, sure, but when garage & 2step were making their rounds, the top 10 tunes in the US were largely R&B/pop R&B (Christina Aguilera at the end of her teen days, Mariah Carey, Sisqo, Janet Jackson), pure pop like Britney Spears, or really awful white dude rock-- Matchbox Twenty, Savage Garden, and Creed. The largest electronic act, overground at least-- was Moby-- and he was HUGE. but definitely not 2 step.
This is the answer for me - if the criteria for 'taking off' is whether it appeals to soccer moms, well, let's be honest, almost no electronic music had that level of mainstream appeal in America until very recently, like in the last few years (and even then largely because of the god-awful dance/hip-hop/rnb/pop hybrids of people like David Guetta, the Black Eyed Peas, and Lady Gaga). UKG was a while before that, so it's no surprise that it didn't reach a big audience.

(Also, I should mention that despite the location field, I am actually American, I just live in the UK)
Mala tribute business:
Soundcloud

User avatar
fassyman
Posts: 1735
Joined: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:01 pm

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by fassyman » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:24 pm

£10 Bag wrote:Garage never took of in Cornwall either and I blame
twothirdsmajority wrote:stars like Craig David and Daniel bedingfield
for making the genre look silly
i realy like the craig david bits

bedingfield not so much lol
r. mutt

bright maroon
Posts: 4992
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:03 pm
Location: ..in high colonial, tropical low country currently - Savannah, Ga

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by bright maroon » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:13 pm

One of the reasons I have always liked a - certain strain - of electronic music..
is because it has an open structure
That can easily absorb the best of all styles..
and yet do something quite...different - progressive and international...

something contemporary...that avoids cultural pigeonholing..
while celebrating individual contributions at the same time..

Other musical "scenes" do not embrace this amount of...light handed neutrality

They all want to own it and control it and dominate it..



So big up the acid - and it's beautiful dissolution.

<iframe src="/forum/video.php?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBtuaubPUOs" frameborder="0" style="overflow:hidden; height:auto; max-width:540px"></iframe>
i bet y'all are late on catching the hermetic allegory in every episode - parsons..?
thats pretty urban. - Capture pt
i think everyone would benefit from unicorns - JTMMusicuk

Soundcloud

User avatar
clifford_-
Posts: 4990
Joined: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:20 pm
Location: KT14 UK

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by clifford_- » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:08 pm

its simply down to the fact you didnt have the same fashion/culture as us at the time.
and our definitions of garage seem to be quite different alot of the time.
Follow me on Twitter- @clifford_i
Image
noam wrote:son
let me break this down for ya
mustard = yellow
HP = brown
Ketchup = red
if ya fuck with the program, someone's gona get hurt... feel me

bright maroon
Posts: 4992
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:03 pm
Location: ..in high colonial, tropical low country currently - Savannah, Ga

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by bright maroon » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:19 pm

consider the agenda...

europeans are alot more sophisticated...less selfish..almost naive
and you can hear it in the music...

doesn't really fit "R.Kellys" agenda...


The Black Keys would be closer...agendistically

<iframe src="/forum/video.php?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJJX1if_LFk" frameborder="0" style="overflow:hidden; height:auto; max-width:540px"></iframe>
i bet y'all are late on catching the hermetic allegory in every episode - parsons..?
thats pretty urban. - Capture pt
i think everyone would benefit from unicorns - JTMMusicuk

Soundcloud

User avatar
garethom
Posts: 13426
Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:55 pm
Location: Birmz
Contact:

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by garethom » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:22 pm

bright maroon wrote: europeans are alot more sophisticated...less selfish..almost naive
You really believe that?

bright maroon
Posts: 4992
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:03 pm
Location: ..in high colonial, tropical low country currently - Savannah, Ga

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by bright maroon » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:27 pm

Well, This sounds alot like German Engineering to me..
It's just a sustained stagger away from uk garage..well..what I understand as uk garage

<iframe src="/forum/video.php?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noX29pbaYxo" frameborder="0" style="overflow:hidden; height:auto; max-width:540px"></iframe>


You saying I'd think differently if I got over there and talked to some..some what?

-Garage Producers?
-Russian Mafia?

-Ghetto Child Pimps?
i bet y'all are late on catching the hermetic allegory in every episode - parsons..?
thats pretty urban. - Capture pt
i think everyone would benefit from unicorns - JTMMusicuk

Soundcloud

User avatar
pdomino
Posts: 5643
Joined: Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:54 pm

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by pdomino » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:29 pm

Used to speak with a few people in America, people didn't see the potential and just not grimey enough.

User avatar
Sharmaji
Posts: 5179
Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:03 pm
Location: Brooklyn NYC
Contact:

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by Sharmaji » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:44 pm

^ "Continental Drift" is a classic from the Good Looking/Looking Good side of things... but definitely not UKG.
twitter.com/sharmabeats
twitter.com/SubSwara
subswara.com
myspace.com/davesharma
Low Motion Records, Soul Motive, TKG, Daly City, Mercury UK

bright maroon
Posts: 4992
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:03 pm
Location: ..in high colonial, tropical low country currently - Savannah, Ga

Re: Why didn't Garage took off in America?

Post by bright maroon » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:01 pm

I wasn't saying it was garage...just that the sound is close

I totally missed UK Garage so I'm not claiming any amount of knowledge..
I do follow Drum & Bass and Dubstep - although I was late on the Dubstep...

and - I do hear the similarities there - but not to US Commercial R&B
Not beyond the use of a sample...

That's all -

I'm guessing from this thread...
That the UK kids don't understand the huge gulf between those scenes...

not so far as in listening - you can go anywhere with that - but culturalistically
i bet y'all are late on catching the hermetic allegory in every episode - parsons..?
thats pretty urban. - Capture pt
i think everyone would benefit from unicorns - JTMMusicuk

Soundcloud

Locked

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests