Illegally Downloading Music

[AllNightDayDream]

this is getting painful

In the words of spaceape, "show me the evidence"

[garethom]

Conversely, where do you base your assumption that a significant amount of people download illegally, and then delete it and buy a legit version?

I don't have the time, nor would I want to spend the time trawling through the internet for reports and studies

Look, you yourself offer elasticity on the price of your music so you understand the fundamental point. But because a couple of guys you know don't pay for music (by your own measure) means nothing.

A couple? No mate. Outside of people from the music industry, I know 1 person that refuses to illegally download.

[garethom]

just from being on this site I know you guys have a thing against outsiders and people with different views or tastes.

Where's your report for this dude?

A lot of people on here don't give a shit what tastes people have as long they aren't forced on people. I don't have a clue what music 99% of people on here listen to.

Should a community have time for those that are only interested in taking and giving nothing back?

[AllNightDayDream]

A couple? No mate. Outside of people from the music industry, I know 1 person that refuses to illegally download.

Again, that's a few people to know, that says nothing for the big picture. You're leaving out a lot of things as well. Every time I've been mugged it was by a black guy. So are all black guys criminals now?

A lot of people on here don't give a shit what tastes people have as long they aren't forced on people.

I don't understand how you can "force" anyone into something on a forum. But if you think people here don't get into a fuss over what some people like, I don't know what to tell you. double digit threads have been made on that shit every week or so for years now.

[wearecorsairs]

you own a record store fractal? in london?

no, i live in Seattle, and frequent the shops (live in them....)

ahh fair doos, you mates with dopelabs and that?

[garethom]

A couple? No mate. Outside of people from the music industry, I know 1 person that refuses to illegally download.

Again, that's a few people to know, that says nothing for the big picture. You're leaving out a lot of things as well. Every time I've been mugged it was by a black guy. So are all black guys criminals now?

FUUUUUUUUCKING HELL MAN. Do all of your studies and reports that you bring up survey EVERYONE in the entire world? No. At some point you see that an amount of people are doing something and that might be the case everywhere.

A lot of people on here don't give a shit what tastes people have as long they aren't forced on people.

I don't understand how you can "force" anyone into something on a forum. But if you think people here don't get into a fuss over what some people like, I don't know what to tell you. double digit threads have been made on that shit every week or so for years now.

Not literally force dude, but when people try and argue perceived objective merits of one type of music over another whether it be brostep over traditional dubstep or vice versa.

I don't even know why I've got sucked into this, arguing with somebody who I only ever see on DSF in the middle of argument with someone. I'd take out all the mirrors in your house just to be safe. I'm done. Out to Fractal, Brasco, Wolf and others that know a community involves some giving and not just taking. Peace.

[AllNightDayDream]

A couple? No mate. Outside of people from the music industry, I know 1 person that refuses to illegally download.

Again, that's a few people to know, that says nothing for the big picture. You're leaving out a lot of things as well. Every time I've been mugged it was by a black guy. So are all black guys criminals now?

FUUUUUUUUCKING HELL MAN. Do all of your studies and reports that you bring up survey EVERYONE in the entire world? No. At some point you see that an amount of people are doing something and that might be the case everywhere.

The only people I ever see using link cards and food stamps at the grocery store are black people. Must mean most people on welfare are black, right?

Except there are these things called facts, and whether or not you delve into them or not, the world is immensely larger than the individual and their tiny little experiences. The facts let you understand that immense world. Because you know some guys that do something means absolutely nothing. Facts will tell you most people on welfare in the U.S. are actually white, flying in the face of my silly argument that because most people I've seen on welfare are black, which is the argument you are trying to make. An informed look at the facts explains piracy is not about giving or taking, and the real effects give a lot of power to people who had none before. It makes attacking all these unfounded arguments easy, like the silly notion that piracy has anything to do with closing record stores, or that it's hurting vinyl sales when they have been performing their best in decades. If people were truly concerned about something like that, you'd think they would look for some facts.

[brasco]

why do all your examples relate to black people? bizarre

anyway... i think you have cleared the room, can't bang my head against the wall anymore. enjoy your thievery!

[AllNightDayDream]

why do all your examples relate to black people? bizarre

Because having no appreciation for facts and instead relying on your perception of your experiences is ignorant and fuels stereotypes and hate.

[fractal]

so now we are fueling hate and perpetuating stereotypes because we don't download music illegally

i've given my opinion. stealing music is obvi something andd is extremely passionate about so why waste time expressing our views, not based on cold reports, but based on personal experiences within the dubstep community. a community that was, at one time, very small - and in some ways it still is; i don't know of many other music communities where the artists have such close ties with their fans... i will continue to support the music and my community in my way and you feel free to do you. just remember that one report doesn't make a thing a fact for the entire world. it would take much research and many reports, spread out across both time and locations, to make something a conclusive fact. people read a few "facts" off the internet and get very excited about their new "truth" imo time will tell.

anyways, I'm out and as this convo is not about dubstep, but rather music as a whole, i'm taking it to off topic. sorry ninjas

[fergus222]

I pay for physical copies (vinyl) and illegally download files.

[AllNightDayDream]

so now we are fueling hate and perpetuating stereotypes because we don't download music illegally

i've given my opinion. stealing music is obvi something andd is extremely passionate about so why waste time expressing our views, not based on cold reports, but based on personal experiences within the dubstep community. a community that was, at one time, very small - and in some ways it still is; i don't know of many other music communities where the artists have such close ties with their fans... i will continue to support the music and my community in my way and you feel free to do you. just remember that one report doesn't make a thing a fact for the entire world. it would take much research and many reports, spread out across both time and locations, to make something a conclusive fact. people read a few "facts" off the internet and get very excited about their new "truth" imo time will tell.

anyways, I'm out and as this convo is not about dubstep, but rather music as a whole, i'm taking it to off topic. sorry ninjas

You paint anyone who downloads music with a large brush, calling their attitudes "disgusting" and saying they all just take and steal and give nothing. Just look at all the hateful generalizations made in this thread. This has nothing to do with whether you download music, but that you don't have an open ear to the facts.

There are plenty reports. I would post them but your side doesn't care for any evidence contradicting your emotionally shallow points. File-sharing has negligible negative effect on the market as a whole, but redistribution is definitely happening. People like the budding producers that came from this forum have all gained from it, and the future ones will too. But there's no appreciation for real knowledge or open-mindedness on this forum, so the stereotypes and hate continue. Because of my views however rationally I present them, I'm a conniving "thief" who's probably lame to be around, and I'm unwelcome at the record shops. This is how your "community" treats everyone in many topics that don't conform to one viewpoint, even to people who simply have different tastes.

[fergus222]

why do all your examples relate to black people? bizarre

Because having no appreciation for facts and instead relying on your perception of your experiences is ignorant and fuels stereotypes and hate.

You are a dafty am hiding your messages so i don't need to put up with your shite ya rocket

[Cornbreadddd]

So do you guys like pepperoni on your pizza, or just cheese? I prefer pepperoni myself.

[incnic]

jesus some days i feel like im the nighttime dsf moderator trying to handle reading these fucking replaies

[SCope13]

So do you guys like pepperoni on your pizza, or just cheese? I prefer pepperoni myself.

I'm vegetarian, so in a choice between the two, I take cheese.

[fractal]

so now we are fueling hate and perpetuating stereotypes because we don't download music illegally

i've given my opinion. stealing music is obvi something andd is extremely passionate about so why waste time expressing our views, not based on cold reports, but based on personal experiences within the dubstep community. a community that was, at one time, very small - and in some ways it still is; i don't know of many other music communities where the artists have such close ties with their fans... i will continue to support the music and my community in my way and you feel free to do you. just remember that one report doesn't make a thing a fact for the entire world. it would take much research and many reports, spread out across both time and locations, to make something a conclusive fact. people read a few "facts" off the internet and get very excited about their new "truth" imo time will tell.

anyways, I'm out and as this convo is not about dubstep, but rather music as a whole, i'm taking it to off topic. sorry ninjas

You paint anyone who downloads music with a large brush, calling their attitudes "disgusting" and saying they all just take and steal and give nothing. Just look at all the hateful generalizations made in this thread. This has nothing to do with whether you download music, but that you don't have an open ear to the facts.

There are plenty reports. I would post them but your side doesn't care for any evidence contradicting your emotionally shallow points. File-sharing has negligible negative effect on the market as a whole, but redistribution is definitely happening. People like the budding producers that came from this forum have all gained from it, and the future ones will too. But there's no appreciation for real knowledge or open-mindedness on this forum, so the stereotypes and hate continue. Because of my views however rationally I present them, I'm a conniving "thief" who's probably lame to be around, and I'm unwelcome at the record shops. This is how your "community" treats everyone in many topics that don't conform to one viewpoint, even to people who simply have different tastes.

no, i said "some" of the attitudes were disgusting... again, you misread and misinterpret

[the_disconekt]

jesus some days i feel like im the nighttime dsf moderator trying to handle reading these fucking replaies

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[Pedro Sánchez]

Why is this thread back in SNH? is the SNH a dumping ground

[Soiree]

i just got tipped off to the mother ship of EDM uploads, i guess i should turn myself in for stealing.
if i ever see any of the tunes i love on wax, i pony up on the spot, why not check it out first, test it out on the crowd? i love so much music, if i paid for all of it, i'd be broke all the time. beside dropping tunes that are not widely available is a very good feeling.