Playing the kick and bass a tad away from eachother

[matb123]

Sorry, but what is the difference between this and side-chaining your bass to your kick drum? Surely with the sidechaining settings set so that it is rather quick it would have the same effect because the compression would bring the bass down as the kick hits and then let it play at its full a split second later?

[Eat Bass]

sidechaining is ducking the volume of your bass to your kick

this method is simply moving the start of your bass slightly after the kick so the initial kick hits and then the bass starts instead of at the exact same time.

^ but i think this method only works if you have your bass starting on a kick every time.

[Today]

Sorry, but what is the difference between this and side-chaining your bass to your kick drum? Surely with the sidechaining settings set so that it is rather quick it would have the same effect because the compression would bring the bass down as the kick hits and then let it play at its full a split second later?

its not even close to the same

the first technique is to get a cluster of layered sounds to sound bigger

The second is to get a necessarily layered sound to duck and become smaller while the competing layered sound hits

[skyh]

What is to be gained from side-chaining and offsetting at the same time?

[Electric_Head]

What is to be gained from side-chaining and offsetting at the same time?

Different concepts, different effects.
Offsetting makes the sound bigger while sidechaining creates a pumping bass effect.

[eldoogle]

I tried it and it worked. Pretty awesome.

[skwiggo]

If you have a daw with track delay (like Ableton, but i'm sure some other daws have this too) you can make sure your bass plays half a millisecond or whatever before your kick throughout your track without having to manually move each bass note

[bassinine]

yeah, this sounds like korn's stupid way of explain side-chaining your kick and bass so the bass ducks for a few ms... leaving plenty of headroom for the kick to really snap.

or, as i do.

set the ENV on your sub bass to take a few ms to kick in, that way it's at 0 db when the kick hits, but very quickly rises to full volume after the kicks attack. just makes everything more punchy.

[Today]

the ENV

[spectralbeats]

I would recommend 2 samples forward or backward in your daw, or use the 'humanize' function in your midi quantize options.

[akyu]

yeah, this sounds like korn's stupid way of explain side-chaining your kick and bass so the bass ducks for a few ms... leaving plenty of headroom for the kick to really snap.

or, as i do.

set the ENV on your sub bass to take a few ms to kick in, that way it's at 0 db when the kick hits, but very quickly rises to full volume after the kicks attack. just makes everything more punchy.

I agree, I think this is just the dude trying to explain side-chaining when he doesn't know what hes talking about.

That said, I think there might be some potential to this idea of delaying the bass by a few samples.