Dubstep, Grime and 'Nu-rave'.

[thomas e. griffin]

I dunno what it's like down London way, but up in the North West I've noticed a lot more of these indie/electro nights incorporating grime and dubstep on the bill.

I'm talking about stuff like...

http://www.myspace.com/thatsnang

I've been to a few nights like this and although it's always wicked to see dubstep and grime out in clubs (especially up norf weezy where big nights are few and far between), I sometimes get the impression that the music isn't being treated with enough respect, not particularly by the deejays, but by some of the crowd.

I know it comes across as very elitist but I just don't want dubstep to become a fashion thing, because that inevitably detracts from the music, and I think by lumping it in with the nurave/electro/indie/house/leggings/sunglasses/dayglo thing, it could put potential serious music listeners off.

Anyone else share my sentiments or do you think anyone, anywhere has the right to use the music as they please?

It's weird the whole 'my music/your music' 'our music/ their music' thing, but I think it's one worth discussing.

[plastician]

If we start trying to control who is and isn't allowed to play our music we'll end up so far up our own arses that we'll be popping champagne at DMZ.

I think its good that Dubstep and Grime alike are socially accepted by pretty much anyone, can only help the scenes move forward and spread out.

[thomas]

It sounds terrible though mate, ive been noticing things like this....i dont really like it.

IMO of course (seems you have to point this out on this forum)

[thinking]

it's not my/your/our music - noone's got any more say in it than anyone else, that would be silly.


there's already more than enough numpties with half a clue talking air about dubstep music on this forum for me to get wound up about a few haircuts listening to Request Line.

[plastician]

It sounds terrible though mate, ive been noticing things like this....i dont really like it.

IMO of course (seems you have to point this out on this forum)

I can see what the opinions voiced mean, but at the end of the day, people who rave to dubstep at DMZ are not likely to attend a small nu rave night with a weak line up, yet somebody who attended that nu rave night might do their homework... attend DMZ and experience dubstep for what it really is, thus building the sound's following.

[ozols man]

at the end of the day, people who arent really into the sound but in it for the 'fashion' will come and go in a flash, theres no point worrying about them... u just got to focus on the positive which is itll help all the deejays and producers who been involved in the sound since day get their rewards...

besides neu rave aint all that bad, im pretty sure their raves bring along alot of gash

[j.d.b.]

you really cant say you dont like certain people listenging to a genre, music is there to be appreciated by everyone, doesnt matter if theyre indie kids or wat, a scene grows because the appreciation for the genre spreads like a virus and if youre gunna try and control who listens to it, itl never spread

[alex bk-bk]

people playing the music is a good thing, period

having said that its still BIG LOL to see wastejays like Tapedeck drop I Luv U b Dizzee Rascal and then rewind it in a very funny token manner to a room full of ironic braps and floppy gunfingers, to then follow it by Hustlin by Rick Ross and then Sinden's remix of said Rick Ross tune before carrying on with their rubbish 80s/indie set

What is this, 2 years ago ? ?

[jackquinox]

Just to add to this discussion im more worried that bands like "hadouken!" who obviously take so much influence from grime musicians and mc's that have been putting in work since day dot arent giving them the citation they deserve, just the occasional name dropping of there influences during there mainstream tv, radio and magazine interviews would benefit the underground artists that established the scene in the first place get the recognition they deserve.

I think if these kids into these bands only come into contact with grime through these bands they are missing such a huge chunk of what its about, if they knew a bit more about the scene ( artists, producers, dj's) they could easily just search on the internet and find dj mixes and radio shows which they can listen to for free to gain a wider understanding of the music as a whole.

[alex bk-bk]

lol true dat
Jamie from Hadouken needs to grovel at the feet of JAMIE from Boy Better Know! ! !

[tronman]

Jamie from Hadouken...

..was shockin out @ fwd before half of you knew what a subwoofer was.

[flipw]

It sounds terrible though mate, ive been noticing things like this....i dont really like it.

IMO of course (seems you have to point this out on this forum)

I too don't like the way the music sounds. Especially the guitars.
But live and let live. I say let em have fun and make and listen to music and look how they want.

Plus maybe dubstep in the UK has a better chance at remaining fairly underground if media friendly nu-raves brightly coloured, guitar heavy scene is around.

[jason burns]

nu-rave hasn't realy caught on here in cleveland. and i don't really know to much about that whole thing. but from what i can see, apart from bieng kinda gay, it's interesting to see electronic music coming back in style so soon after it went out. i realize alot of the people on this board are from the uk, where electronic music may or may not have suffered like it has in the states over the last 6-7 years or so. it's nice to see electronic music getting the hipster treatment again is all im saying. and dubstep (whether we want to admit it or not) is a part of the current re-interpretation of electronic music along with nu rave. i'll call it the second wave?

[thomas]

It sounds terrible though mate, ive been noticing things like this....i dont really like it.

IMO of course (seems you have to point this out on this forum)

I can see what the opinions voiced mean, but at the end of the day, people who rave to dubstep at DMZ are not likely to attend a small nu rave night with a weak line up, yet somebody who attended that nu rave night might do their homework... attend DMZ and experience dubstep for what it really is, thus building the sound's following.

No doubt,
I was more talking about the actuall night, on a real shallow level, i dont like too much mix of music on a night out

Hip Hop gets played all over the place (good hip hop i mean), i just tend to go to mainly Hip Hop nights, and just be glad and often suprised other clubs and crowds like the same stuff.

[shonky]

Who says they don't actually enjoy the music though?

Thinking "it's just a fashion thing" is bollocks. People really should grow the fuck up and stop being quite so precious.

They seem to be having fun with it, far better that than some techstepper doing his teenage angst wank off at a slower speed I reckon.

It's not yours to control and it never was.

[thomas]

Shonky, I dont think anyone is trying to say they don't enjoy Dubstep/Grime....at least i'm not.

Although, if it was a cool thing, people would be tricked into liking it, and even then it wouldnt be a question of liking it. More why they like it....but thats another debate which has no place on a music forum.

[dustrickx]

the word "nu rave" pisses me off

[slothrop]

Yeah, I think it'd get a lot less (glow-)stick if people were introduced to it as a fairly broad minded and interesting version of indie rather than as THE RESURRECTION OF THE GLORIOUS SPIRIT OF RAVE MADE ALIVE BY A NEW GENERATION or something.

[harlesden]

Who says they don't actually enjoy the music though?

Thinking "it's just a fashion thing" is bollocks. People really should grow the fuck up and stop being quite so precious.

They seem to be having fun with it, far better that than some techstepper doing his teenage angst wank off at a slower speed I reckon.

It's not yours to control and it never was.

[Littlefoot]

just my two pence based on experience here:

I grew up musically in the hardcore punk scene, of which a big part is Emo (yes actual Emo Hardcore not mtv pop stuff) and I got into it while the Emo term was being used in the completely wrong way describing a completely seperate style of music. There was a good few years where it was a struggle to keep your temper at people jumping all over your culture coming from a completely separate direction trying to claim their "emo" was the real deal.. although that generation of fuckwits has now moved over the Nu Rave thing.. the moral is that we stuck it out, kept our temper, and allowed the kids from that side of things who genuinly were interested in the real deal to enter our scene with open arms..

The crossover between Dubstep and absolute shite fashion movements like Nu Rave? it's very possible, the important thing is to not become some jaded bastard moaning about whats "happened" to dubstep and just continue keeping it underground and at the same time not going on the offense towards other people.. trust me it's hard but it's the only way forward in retrospect..

although this said, I would still batter that Hadouken band, including the girl.