Layering a sub, help.

[Fagerdahlen]

Hey there everybody!

I've created quite a large bass using fm8, modulated with the arpeggiator and then through a LFO-filter, (outside FM).
My question is this, since the bassline is very complex i'm wondering how i'll get my sub to fit perfect with the pattern.

Is there a super easy way maybe?

Thanks in advance.

[KoenDercksen]

Well, I don't know if I understand you correctly but if you're using a LFO outside of the synth, just hook that same LFO up to the volume of your sub?
Or if it isn't a global LFO, copy the filter (plus automation) to your subtrack but hook it to volume instead of whatever it was hooked on (I assume cutoff).

[Fagerdahlen]

Well, I don't know if I understand you correctly but if you're using a LFO outside of the synth, just hook that same LFO up to the volume of your sub?
Or if it isn't a global LFO, copy the filter (plus automation) to your subtrack but hook it to volume instead of whatever it was hooked on (I assume cutoff).

The LFO is basically just an effect that makes the arpeggiator/bass pattern, sound a lot better and heavier. I've tried making a sub in FM8 and putting in the same pattern in the arpeggiator, but that sounds like crap..
Worst case i will have to figure out every tone that the arpeggiator plays, and write in the notes for the sub..

[VirtualMark]

Your sub doesn't really need to follow every twist and turn of your lead or bass. You won't hear the tiny variations anyway. Maybe just layer a straight sine underneath and see what it sounds like?

You can also get plugins that add sub bass harmonics. Waves do one called rbass, and there is another one called lowender that does a similar thing. This option will mean the sub follows your bass a bit more closely.

[Fagerdahlen]

Your sub doesn't really need to follow every twist and turn of your lead or bass. You won't hear the tiny variations anyway. Maybe just layer a straight sine underneath and see what it sounds like?

You can also get plugins that add sub bass harmonics. Waves do one called rbass, and there is another one called lowender that does a similar thing. This option will mean the sub follows your bass a bit more closely.

I disagree, perfection (or very close) is what i'm looking for.. I would definitely hear a difference if I just put a straight sine that's running. And it's a glitch-hop tune, and I want to emphasize where the bass hits, and doesn't.. The tune is kind of Koan sound or Culprate influenced.

rbass sounds interesting, i'll check it out, but I suspect it may clutter the sound, no?

[VirtualMark]

Why not just duplicate the patch, and drop it down an octave or two? Then it'll have the same modulations as the bass.

[ehbes]

Your sub doesn't really need to follow every twist and turn of your lead or bass. You won't hear the tiny variations anyway. Maybe just layer a straight sine underneath and see what it sounds like?

You can also get plugins that add sub bass harmonics. Waves do one called rbass, and there is another one called lowender that does a similar thing. This option will mean the sub follows your bass a bit more closely.

I disagree, perfection (or very close) is what i'm looking for.. I would definitely hear a difference if I just put a straight sine that's running. And it's a glitch-hop tune, and I want to emphasize where the bass hits, and doesn't.. The tune is kind of Koan sound or Culprate influenced.

rbass sounds interesting, i'll check it out, but I suspect it may clutter the sound, no?

if you copy the midi into a straight sine your not going to hear any twisting and such because its a sine and they don't have harmonics, trust me, no one is gonna be able to tell if your sub is twisting or not

[TCW_UK]

Try harmonising significant changes in the notes/pitch. Might actually sound better, you don't necessarily want the sub to sound arpeggiated, might overcomplicate things
This is probably the worst idea too, but try adding a sine oscillator to your synth and detune it so it harmonises on a lower octave

[dubesteppe]

Try harmonising significant changes in the notes/pitch. Might actually sound better, you don't necessarily want the sub to sound arpeggiated, might overcomplicate things
This is probably the worst idea too, but try adding a sine oscillator to your synth and detune it so it harmonises on a lower octave

dont detune it. i think you mean pitch it down

[TCW_UK]

Try harmonising significant changes in the notes/pitch. Might actually sound better, you don't necessarily want the sub to sound arpeggiated, might overcomplicate things
This is probably the worst idea too, but try adding a sine oscillator to your synth and detune it so it harmonises on a lower octave

dont detune it. i think you mean pitch it down

yeah, lol

[mikeyp]

Your sub doesn't really need to follow every twist and turn of your lead or bass. You won't hear the tiny variations anyway. Maybe just layer a straight sine underneath and see what it sounds like?

You can also get plugins that add sub bass harmonics. Waves do one called rbass, and there is another one called lowender that does a similar thing. This option will mean the sub follows your bass a bit more closely.

I disagree, perfection (or very close) is what i'm looking for.. I would definitely hear a difference if I just put a straight sine that's running. And it's a glitch-hop tune, and I want to emphasize where the bass hits, and doesn't.. The tune is kind of Koan sound or Culprate influenced.

rbass sounds interesting, i'll check it out, but I suspect it may clutter the sound, no?

if you copy the midi into a straight sine your not going to hear any twisting and such because its a sine and they don't have harmonics, trust me, no one is gonna be able to tell if your sub is twisting or not

this times a million

it's amazing how some people don't understand how sub bass works

[mikeyp]

copy the midi notes to a straight sine & break up/shorten/chop as needed