Brostep / Skrillex and the Forum.

[foxtrot]

dude has the worst hair ever, what a fuckwit.

[slanguage]

That 'grime' video got me vex. I know I shouldn't care that much about it, but I couldn't help it


op if you're the wasteman in the videos i beg you listen to these and start again

[wub]

Typical 'real Dubstep' arguments;

1. "it's not REAL dubstep." Who gets to define "real" dubstep? And how is it defined? Because as soon as you define it, you set limits, you build walls. Is there a dubstep "formula" one must follow to "qualify?" Doesn't that sound terribly boring? Or, worse, something music writers sit around lamenting because, let's face it, they're the ones who invent these sub-sub-sub genres and they've got deadlines to make and dilettantes to look down upon.

2. "s/he is too young/new to the scene." This line of criticism would argue that anyone who didn't buy white labels from Big Apple Records or go clubbing at FWD>> or tune into pirate radio to hear their dubstep is not authentic enough. This argument always puzzles me. I remember the first few raves I went to, and how enamored I was with the sounds of New York house and Detroit Techno. I'd never been to a NASA party or heard Juan Atkins or Kevin Saunderson play techno in Detroit, but I knew what I liked. And I paid $20 to get in, just like the cool kids....

3. "brostep is ruining the scene." Again, this one confuses me. If 1000 kids show up to see a Skrillex show, and get their faces melted to "brostep," how is this BAD for Mala or Silkie or Von D? If your argument is that those 1000 kids don't know the history of dubstep, or don't care to learn, who gives a shit? Those kids are there to party, not learn. If 100 of those kids leave that show and do their homework, that doesn't make the other 900 kids stupid. But it DOES have the potential to open those 100 kids' eyes to the deeper, more underground sounds of the genre. Is that a bad thing? Furthermore, if 500 kids show up to see N-Type at a club, and only 50 of them actually know who N-Type is, and 50 more think N-Type sucks because he doesn't play enough face-melting drops, who gives a fuck? All 500 of those kids paid the cover at the door, so if anything, N-Type is BENEFITING from "brostep." Skream says as much in the above-linked article: everyone benefits, if only a little, from the expansion of the scene. Maybe they have to put up with a few more stupid requests each night, but really, is that so bad?

4. "s/he doesn't have the proper pedigree." This argument supposes that, unless you have crates full of underground UK Garage/futuristic 2-Step records in your basement, unless your playlist includes sufficient offerings from Horsepower or Tempa, you're not "coming at dubstep properly." One of the main knocks against Skrillex is that he was a metal/emo kid until 2008, and this metal/rock influence brings the "wrong" sort of fans to the scene. Again, this implies a certain level of unsophistication of his fans, due to their lack of pedigree. In addition to #2 above, this argument also dismisses those who arrived at dubstep from a place that didn't include the original Dubstep Warz broadcasts. So if your CD book includes more System of a Down than Digital Mystikz, if your crate contains more Leftfield than Loefah, you're disqualified.

[joeki]

Typical 'real Dubstep' arguments;

1. "it's not REAL dubstep." Who gets to define "real" dubstep? And how is it defined? Because as soon as you define it, you set limits, you build walls. Is there a dubstep "formula" one must follow to "qualify?"

=>>I'd say there's no tangible rules, no written codex for it. But there is a certain vibe to it, a certain way of experience. An experience that, despite a clear evolution from 2-stap, half-step, dubstep, breakstep, future sounds...whatever, has somewhat remained constant. But seems less relevant since the emergence of wobble induced tear-out and brostep.

2. "s/he is too young/new to the scene." This line of criticism would argue that anyone who didn't buy white labels from Big Apple Records or go clubbing at FWD>> or tune into pirate radio to hear their dubstep is not authentic enough.

=> No it doesn't argue that at all. Simple example of someone putting it black or white

This argument always puzzles me. I remember the first few raves I went to, and how enamored I was with the sounds of New York house and Detroit Techno. I'd never been to a NASA party or heard Juan Atkins or Kevin Saunderson play techno in Detroit, but I knew what I liked. And I paid $20 to get in, just like the cool kids....

=> Conflicts between older/seasoned listeners and younger/newbie listeners exist in all scenes and all music. Perhaps almost in all aspects of culture. There's many a subculture where you had to earn your right to be there (hardcore, Oi!, hiphop...). Which of course doesn't justify it, but that's been something that's always been around.

3. if anything, N-Type is BENEFITING from "brostep." Skream says as much in the above-linked article: everyone benefits, if only a little, from the expansion of the scene. Maybe they have to put up with a few more stupid requests each night, but really, is that so bad?

=> There really is only an established/selected group of people who can ride the hype of brosteps success. Claiming otherwise doesn't make sense to me. . As an organiser, everything is getting more expensive due to economic crisis, which means it's getting harder to book underground names. Which means a vicious circle gets created where you can only book names that economically viable, hence you come to a lowest common denominator music-wise. Or underground music gets demoted to sub-par backrooms with lousy systems and catering.

4. " if your CD book includes more System of a Down than Digital Mystikz, if your crate contains more Leftfield than Loefah, you're disqualified.

=> Erm, yeah that is one 100% correct?. If one thing, oldschool heads haven't given a lot of youngsters enough time.

I mean, I don't pretend to disagree with everything in that statement. But I don't agree with a lot of it either. If ever I have enough time on my hands, I'm going to write something about this. Perhaps in Dutch though, I want to write so many things about this, but feel often my English isn't good enough to truly express my feelings.

[cmgoodman1226]

can't even get real kobe beef in america. the "wagyu" version we get is a pale comparison to say the least

We DO have the original Kobe beef that the japanese gifted to us long ago. We just decided to breed them with the black angus for some dumbass reason.

I'm lucky enough to work in a restaurant that use to carry the japanese kobe (don't anymore after the earthquake) so I got to have it for relatively cheap on account of my discount.

[joeki]

It's just delicate. On the one hand I don't want to deny brostep/skrillex/ that side of dubstep. Who am I to say it shouldn't exist or be dubstep. It has a right to exist and a right to be enjoyed. But I clearly feel it is different in many ways from what I experience. Should much effort be put into expressing this? To the point where we are today? I don't know. But people should keep in mind there's a big difference geographically: whereas London and the UK might still have a very diverse amount of parties, this isn't entirely true for everywhere.
And it is getting harder to book underground names if you want to break even. I mean, I don't want to be stuck in 2006 forever, I don't get tired of that sound but it's not something I want to hear every week, but even the new margins sounds and evolutions of dubstep aren't drawing in sufficient numbers yet. This was true in the past but at least you could manage to break even and get underground venues (which now have either disappeared or are charging incredible amounts). And this is showing in the number of parties you can attend that cater to your specific needs (ie you want to avoid the brostep side).

[Immerse]

god what a shit thread. both the boy in a band videos where hilariously awful.

[Today]

there's nothing wrong with having loose boundaries for what defines a style
they always get crossed, and certainly have since the beginning of dubstep, but without any kind of loose descriptors of a style, it isn't a style

so, in short, this dickhead should stfu and cut his stupid hair and go to the gym once in a while, stop making gay vids. damn.

[BonerJams04]

It's ironic that brosteppers were talking about sounding terribly boring.


And OP, cut your hair, you look retarded.

[idontreallygiveashit]

Not this frickin' tnuc again.

[Phase Down]

lol @ boyinaband, what a loser.. he don't know nothing about dubstep so why do people value his opinion?

[LA_Boxers]

^^^^

Everytime I see your username I sing (to myself):-

Phase Down, Azz up.....


Just thought you should know.

[TheTornado]

Prepared yourself for...the lyrics;

"And I tell you I'm sorry girl
it was nothing personal
is anyone up?
is anyone up?
your pussy
your boobies
on the world wide web

girl it's nothing personal
I'm sorry for this
but I think you fuck anal so well
that everybody should know

your pussy deserves much more attention
than I could give to you

you said that I'd be the only one
you are nothing more than a folder on my harddisk
and you are nothing more than the guys I've met before
fuck you little whore I've got your tnuc in HD

and I tell you I'm sorry girl
it was nothing personal
is anyone up?
is anyone up?
your pussy
your boobies
on the world wide web

oh lord ,shame on me!
gnargoyles everywhere
I've lost my ability
to infactuate hot chicks

you never will expose a girl again
your daddy will be proud of his stupid little girl
shut the fuck up
tonight I'm on a photo date
with the highschool-sexgrenade

and I tell you I'm sorry girl
it was nothing personal
is anyone up?
is anyone up?
your pussy
your boobies
on the world wide web


I've seen a lot of boobies
I've seen a lot of stnuc
as long as there are hot chicks
there'll be always men that hunt

#NBHNC (what?)
means a lot to me (aha!)
we cannot stop to stare
so put your ass up in the air (oh, fuck me!)

I hope English isn't their first language...

[Transista]

I see your point but when this is called dubstep, I draw the line and start educating:

[Phase Down]

^^^^

Everytime I see your username I sing (to myself):-

Phase Down, Azz up.....


Just thought you should know.

Love it! will post more from now on just for you

[BonerJams04]

I see your point but when this is called dubstep, I draw the line and start educating:

[bennyh]

dude has the worst hair ever, what a fuckwit.

this.

and his voice!! drives me fucking mad

[NickUndercover]

LOL. Back to SNH

[garethom]

Yo people I liek boarsetp u fk what up? why u gna care so much about ypir rules and regulatons for dusteb? i dnt care so much im gnna tell u what 2 think ur idiots.

close mind idiots. u dnt smash up the rave like me. what up? what up? h8rters. rartid. what up.

[BonerJams04]

Yo people I liek boarsetp u fk what up? why u gna care so much about ypir rules and regulatons for dusteb? i dnt care so much im gnna tell u what 2 think ur idiots.

close mind idiots. u dnt smash up the rave like me. what up? what up? h8rters. rartid. what up.

I lol'd something fierce.