Am I really that weird that I appreciate a DJ because they've got a deep box of tunes that they know well, and they know how to read a crowd and build a set and make a mix work and all that sort of stuff rather than appreciating the fact that they've become vaguely competent at a completely uncreative mechanical task which can be performed adequately by a computer?
I mean, if the computer was picking the tunes and working the fader then it'd be shit because those are some of the bits where the individuality and personality of the DJ come out. Not when they adjust the tempo.
I dunno, to a non-DJ this just looks a lot like a bunch of people who feel threatened because the only absolute objective thing that marks them out as Definitely A Proper DJ is increasingly becoming optional...
slothrop wrote:Am I really that weird that I appreciate a DJ because they've got a deep box of tunes that they know well, and they know how to read a crowd and build a set and make a mix work and all that sort of stuff rather than appreciating the fact that they've become vaguely competent at a completely uncreative mechanical task which can be performed adequately by a computer?
I mean, if the computer was picking the tunes and working the fader then it'd be shit because those are some of the bits where the individuality and personality of the DJ come out. Not when they adjust the tempo.
I dunno, to a non-DJ this just looks a lot like a bunch of people who feel threatened because the only absolute objective thing that marks them out as Definitely A Proper DJ is increasingly becoming optional...
You might catch some hate for that part bro
My 2 cents- I read that back in the old days a dancehall DJ was called selector, not DJ. Good proper human mixing always gets more respect, but at the end of the day, the real talent is having the tunes, choosing the tunes and building the mix. Lot of the posters on this site can probably mix as good as Youngsta but they haven't got the Badman VIP. Computers can't know that teasing in a classic classic song is going to make the place go nuts. And computers don't know about rewinds. But I just thought: what if they got that computer that can play jeopardy taught it about the history of dubstep
slothrop wrote:Am I really that weird that I appreciate a DJ because they've got a deep box of tunes that they know well, and they know how to read a crowd and build a set and make a mix work and all that sort of stuff rather than appreciating the fact that they've become vaguely competent at a completely uncreative mechanical task which can be performed adequately by a computer?
I mean, if the computer was picking the tunes and working the fader then it'd be shit because those are some of the bits where the individuality and personality of the DJ come out. Not when they adjust the tempo.
I dunno, to a non-DJ this just looks a lot like a bunch of people who feel threatened because the only absolute objective thing that marks them out as Definitely A Proper DJ is increasingly becoming optional...
What makes you think that mixing is only about adjusting the tempo?
Plenty of DJs out there that do a lot more than just adjust a tempo. Fact is, there's tonnes of shit that can be done with a computer more easily, but some people will appreciate the skill to do something more difficult. Yes, there will be people that don't care how it's mixed, and that's fair enough, but also, there are people that care. Don't let it stress you.
slothrop wrote:Am I really that weird that I appreciate a DJ because they've got a deep box of tunes that they know well, and they know how to read a crowd and build a set and make a mix work and all that sort of stuff rather than appreciating the fact that they've become vaguely competent at a completely uncreative mechanical task which can be performed adequately by a computer?
I mean, if the computer was picking the tunes and working the fader then it'd be shit because those are some of the bits where the individuality and personality of the DJ come out. Not when they adjust the tempo.
I dunno, to a non-DJ this just looks a lot like a bunch of people who feel threatened because the only absolute objective thing that marks them out as Definitely A Proper DJ is increasingly becoming optional...
You might catch some hate for that part bro
My 2 cents- I read that back in the old days a dancehall DJ was called selector, not DJ. Good proper human mixing always gets more respect, but at the end of the day, the real talent is having the tunes, choosing the tunes and building the mix. Lot of the posters on this site can probably mix as good as Youngsta but they haven't got the Badman VIP. Computers can't know that teasing in a classic classic song is going to make the place go nuts. And computers don't know about rewinds. But I just thought: what if they got that computer that can play jeopardy taught it about the history of dubstep
to a degree it would be possible, but you'd need a lot more sensors. also the computer that can play jeopardy isn't a good example. iirc it just searched the internet based on the keywords it was told, nothing too special.
It would be possible to create and teach an AI to mix tunes based on genre and key,building mixes and increasing intensity, as well as DJing techniques like teasing tunes with noticeable features. The main issue for reloads etc would be how would the AI know the crowds reaction? Unless it was monitoring the crowd and had been trained in how well the tune was going down it wouldn't know.
Also, I also think that people like their DJs to be people, even if they are pressing the sync button in traktor. It's one of those jobs where people would rather have a human do it, else whats the point in going out? if a computer can do it why don't I stay home with my iPod
soronery wrote:Too easy to sit behind a keyboard with a playlist of dubstep tunes on, arguing about the defintion of a word in relation to a sound.
All that melts away when the lights are down and the bass is up.
Riddles wrote: The main issue for reloads etc would be how would the AI know the crowds reaction?
You know how cameras detect people's faces? Like that, but with gunfingers.
haha true. would be possible, just setup, upkeep and maintenance would be more than paying some chap to come in and play
soronery wrote:Too easy to sit behind a keyboard with a playlist of dubstep tunes on, arguing about the defintion of a word in relation to a sound.
All that melts away when the lights are down and the bass is up.
garethom wrote:What makes you think that mixing is only about adjusting the tempo?
Isn't that kind of the point I'm making, though? All the sync button does is adjust the tempo so there's a whole lot of skill in what a DJ does that you can't just skip by turning 'sync' on.
Do people hate on producers who use the piano roll rather than playing notes in live?
garethom wrote:You know how cameras detect people's faces? Like that, but with gunfingers.