What happens when you die

Dub_freak · Post by **Dub_freak** » Tue May 15, 2012 1:54 pm

Nothing to fear about nothingness.

cosmic_surgeon · Post by **cosmic_surgeon** » Tue May 15, 2012 2:04 pm

dubfordessert wrote:consciousness IS physically embodied though. when you die the ongoing processes which produce your experience of being (you) cease. so you also cease.

That's what I think. It's crucial to get clear on the phrase "physically embodied" 'cause dualists often miss this one. Was discussing this with a mate recently, and I was trying to get him to see that it's not just a matter of the "mind" being embodied, but that what we call mind is the body. It's a long one, but look at any of the knock-down arguments against dualism for a brief idea (i.e. anyone who believes the "mind" and body are in some way separate has to explain how an immaterial thing interacts with a material thing, then they have to explain his this fits with the principle of causal closure, why it is that damage to certain parts of the brain damages the "mind" which is supposed to be immaterial, etc.)

There are more sophisticated arguments regarding embodiment, however, which you'll find in Merleau-Ponty and Samuel Todes (if anyone was interested).

edit: there's a great book called Descartes' Error by neurologist Antonio Damasio which should interest anyone thinking about this. Important stuff!

particle-jim · Post by **particle-jim** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:15 pm

IIRC my brother technically 'died' in hospital on the operating table before they managed to resuscitate him, he was gone for a couple of minutes at least, he now seems adament that there is absolutely nothing after death

apmje · Post by **apmje** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:22 pm

There is nothing after death.

Thats what I am so scared.

Dub_freak · Post by **Dub_freak** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:24 pm

I'd rather have an eternity of nothingness than heaven or hell.

sigbowls · Post by **sigbowls** » Tue May 15, 2012 6:00 pm

you get stuck in the internet when you die?

that would be heaven

Pedro Sánchez · Post by **Pedro Sánchez** » Tue May 15, 2012 6:10 pm

Dub_freak wrote:I'd rather have an eternity of nothingness than heaven or hell.

Does heaven have wheel chair access and round the clock medical care for those who required it in life and are them carers in their version of heaven or hell, having to spend eternity caring for others. What if your idea of hell is being in heaven with all the passed loved ones that have been looking down on you, watching you masturbating non-stop for the entirety of you adult life. Just throwing some ideas out there.

Dub_freak · Post by **Dub_freak** » Tue May 15, 2012 6:14 pm

well the Christian idea of heaven and hell is completely illogical, they both sound like the exact same thing.

DRTY · Post by **DRTY** » Tue May 15, 2012 6:16 pm

nat a lat

Dystinkt · Post by **Dystinkt** » Wed May 16, 2012 12:51 am

the existence of the afterlife isnt an issue for me, ill be dead whether it exists or not so there isnt a great point to getting scared about it

_v_ · Post by **_v_** » Wed May 16, 2012 1:04 am

Cheeky wrote:the existence of the afterlife isnt an issue for me, ill be dead whether it exists or not so there isnt a great point to getting scared about it

sorry mate, this to me sounds contradictory... Think about it...

Ba-zinga · Post by **Ba-zinga** » Wed May 16, 2012 1:10 am

why are you all scared of the nothingness

you won't even know it's nothingness

you won't even be able to know...you won't even be. it's like when you sleep. you don't know how much time has passed, you have no concept of anything even like that. you're just...not

_v_ · Post by **_v_** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:11 am

^^^are you speaking from experience?

Dub_freak · Post by **Dub_freak** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:13 am

We were part of the nothingness before we were born, we were all dead for 13.7 billion years.

cosmic_surgeon · Post by **cosmic_surgeon** » Wed May 16, 2012 10:25 am

Ba-zinga wrote:why are you all scared of the nothingness

you won't even know it's nothingness

you won't even be able to know...you won't even be. it's like when you sleep. you don't know how much time has passed, you have no concept of anything even like that. you're just...not

I've thought about this before and I think it might provide an answer, but I'm not sure. The one thing I've got a bit of an issue with is that when I worry about my death it's that I'm worried about the future prospect of my life (my pursuit of possibilities) ending. But it's not like a worry about an end state (like I might worry about an experience of pain) it's more a worry grounded in the now because I largely enjoy life and the immediate prospect of its ending is pretty unpleasant. I dunno though, maybe you're right! What do you think?

AxeD · Post by **AxeD** » Wed May 16, 2012 12:56 pm

What happens to a pigeon when it dies?

It's exactly the same for us.

Pedro Sánchez · Post by **Pedro Sánchez** » Wed May 16, 2012 12:58 pm

AxeD wrote:What happens to a pigeon when it dies?

It's exactly the same for us.

Why do you never see baby pigeons?

Electric_Head · Post by **Electric_Head** » Wed May 16, 2012 12:58 pm

We turn to compost and feed worms.

Killamike49 · Post by **Killamike49** » Wed May 16, 2012 2:15 pm

cosmic surgeon wrote:
Ba-zinga wrote:why are you all scared of the nothingness

you won't even know it's nothingness

you won't even be able to know...you won't even be. it's like when you sleep. you don't know how much time has passed, you have no concept of anything even like that. you're just...not
I've thought about this before and I think it might provide an answer, but I'm not sure. The one thing I've got a bit of an issue with is that when I worry about my death it's that I'm worried about the future prospect of my life (my pursuit of possibilities) ending. But it's not like a worry about an end state (like I might worry about an experience of pain) it's more a worry grounded in the now because I largely enjoy life and the immediate prospect of its ending is pretty unpleasant. I dunno though, maybe you're right! What do you think?

I agree with this. I'm not scared of the pain of dying, just not being able to interact with anyone or anything. It's a very unpleasant thought to me.

AxeD · Post by **AxeD** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:58 pm

Pedro Sánchez wrote:
AxeD wrote:What happens to a pigeon when it dies?

It's exactly the same for us.
Why do you never see baby pigeons?

Because they know they look like this

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