Making Powerful basses, not just dirty ones

[Orpheon]

I've looked at most of the tutorials linked in the sticky, including 90% of the Bass thread, but most tutorials talk about the basses that capture attention, or just pure filthy basses. I need information on how to create the sort of basses that just slam you into the wall, without being particularily modulated, distorted or complex.

As an example I'll use this remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH_kNJvsoaA
Another example, which is some electro house, but still has an awesome bass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGjzRkIB0OY

The drop in both songs isn't particularily complex, at least not at first sight, but it just has pure power radiating from it.
I'm under the impression that the first song has lots of stuff behind the scenes making the kick more powerful that my ears aren't good enough to discern, but I'm not sure.
Am I really missing some elements, or is this simply some mixing and mastering magic? If yes to either, and tips on emulating that?

The second song definately doesn't just have a great kick, the basstone at the drop (@1:53) is really strong, and again, although sounding simple and not produced by dozens of resamplings or incredible effects, a bass of that power is for me impossible to copy.

In general, every time I try to do something in the direction of electro or dubstep, my stuff just doesn't have that punch. Are there any general things to do/not to do? I've heard people say that detuning is a bad thing for power, but basses without detuning sound raw and often pretty cold, unlike that main bass in the second song (for example).

What am I missing?


PS: Sorry if I posted this in the wrong board/thread, or if I missed a tutorial on this subject. If one such tutorial exists, the link would be awesome. Thank you.

[Killamike49]

If you posted one of your songs, we could probably point out what was making it lack the punch you're talking about.

[Augment]

I think what you may have done wrong is in the build up, not in your basses. I don't know, since I haven't heard your tunes. Remember to have a nice build up, then a short break before the drop. Maybe highpass everything more and more during the build up, then drop it. It makes pretty much everything sound much heavier.

[Orpheon]

Well, the problem is that I made mostly short loops and things rather than complete songs. I'm quite bad at dubstep right now.
I meant more in a general sense: What is necessary for making a really powerful bass? Like again, in that Mitis song, that bass is absolutely awesome; powerful and melodic at the same time. How would you guys go around making that bass?

[syrup]

Sub?

[Killamike49]

A strong waveform, like a saw for example. Don't distort it way too much, which is easy to do. Just focus on making it stronger. The key here is multiple things making it a little bit stronger, instead of one thing on Bro-rape setting.
Stick it through an overdrive, distortion unit, filter, distort it again, then compress/limit it. You should get a real loud waveform that should be powerful as fuck.