Too much of what?

MaZa1 · Post by **MaZa1** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:44 pm

Ok, heres a question.
I've been wondering what does cause this thing, 2 kicks lets says in first and third steps makes the master level peak like couple of db higher than normally.
Ok i think it is because they go "over" each other. But how can i fix this? Because if i make the sample a bit shorter it looses its power, and if i take the volume of the second kick down a bit, it looses its power.

So is there anything else to do or what?

Ongelegen · Post by **Ongelegen** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:47 pm

Turn both down by the same amount

MaZa1 · Post by **MaZa1** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:42 pm

But whats the point of doing that? Aint it same thing if i just turn the kick channel down a bit?

alpz · Post by **alpz** » Thu May 24, 2012 11:54 pm

Turning each kick down by the same amount and turning down the channel that both kicks feed into are essentially the same thing yes. It leavens some headroom. If kick 1 is at -2db and kick 2 is at -2db, then they'll peak at +2 db (over 0db). If you turn them both down the combined volume of both will be lower than 0db (if you turned them down enough). This is how I understand it, if I am wrong please do correct me as I am still learning. From what I understand, it's better to have all of your separate tracks turned down much lower than your master tracks, so that each sound leaves the most possible headroom.

MaZa1 · Post by **MaZa1** » Fri May 25, 2012 12:29 am

I think i didnt explain this enough. I have one layered kick and it is placed to first and third, not kick 1 in first and kick 2 in third.
My mix is peaking round -3db now since i had to turn the kick up a bit, but when this pattern comes where is kick in first and third the master peak in -2,-1db and that is annoying because the rest of the mix is sounding ok.

Well i noticed that the snares do that same thing if it is hitting too fast.

Sry for my bad english

alpz · Post by **alpz** » Fri May 25, 2012 12:34 am

Yeah, your kicks are layered and the combined sounds don't leave enough headroom left. Turn everything down a couple of dbs, that way you'll empty some headroom but you won't lose your mix levels.

MaZa1 · Post by **MaZa1** » Fri May 25, 2012 12:40 am

Actually i noticed something now. I have two patterns, other has just kick in first and snare at the 8th but still the snare just hits like hell..wtf?
I made a pattern like kicks in 1,2,5 and snare in 3 and 8 and the peak level was -3,-4db but with these 2 patterns the peak just jumped up...

nowaysj · Post by **nowaysj** » Fri May 25, 2012 5:17 am

Turn everything down by 12 to 20 db.

narcissus · Post by **narcissus** » Fri May 25, 2012 5:41 am

MaZa1 wrote:Actually i noticed something now. I have two patterns, other has just kick in first and snare at the 8th but still the snare just hits like hell..wtf?
I made a pattern like kicks in 1,2,5 and snare in 3 and 8 and the peak level was -3,-4db but with these 2 patterns the peak just jumped up...

okay up to this point i thought i knew what you were saying. but now i have no idea

was GONNA say....

i think you guys are missing the main point. the point is that one sound is overlapping with itself (i THINK this is what's going on but who knows??) so that one sounds fine by itself, but when a hit is played soon after, it is louder. yes you could turn it down. now it's not clipping but it still overlaps and produces a dissonant and uneven effect. you could limit it so it doesn't get any louder... but now it's sounds squished.

the solution to this problem is to change the way the note is triggered. you don't want it to hit and then decay immediately. you want to make it sustain for as long as the note is held and then decay over the release time (which you will probably want to be short). this way, you can draw in one note in the piano roll, and have it stop before playing the second note so there is no overlap, but it loses no power.

nowaysj · Post by **nowaysj** » Fri May 25, 2012 5:56 am

Do what I said above, and then address this problem

I don't know if op has like two patterns stacked on top of each other, or what, definitely some type of overlapping going on. I usually handle this with cute groups or mute groups, and most daws/beat instruments have this functionality where one sound will automatically cut another sound. Very easy way to deal with this kind of thing. But honestly, don't know what is going on with op's patterns.

MaZa1 · Post by **MaZa1** » Fri May 25, 2012 12:47 pm

The problem is i have like 6 different drum patterns. And lets say everyone of them has the basic dubstep beat. kick in the first and snare at the 8th step. Well in 4 of them the master level peaks at -4db, but when i play those 2 other patterns that have same instruments (kick and snare) at the same steps, master level peaks at -2db or so.
And this happens when i play just the pattern, so there cannot be any other pattern running at the same time. Also theres no automation in these patterns.

So this is the main problem now.
But i think the other problem is this overlapping and maybe ill try what narcissus said

joegrizzly · Post by **joegrizzly** » Fri May 25, 2012 5:12 pm

if you havent already, group all of your kick together so you can see how they level out together, if your doing that then maybe you want to cut out the kick frequencies of any other instrument you have going on that mite fuck with it

narcissus · Post by **narcissus** » Fri May 25, 2012 5:19 pm

.... a typical beat would have snare on 9...
nevermind what i was saying earlier

it sounds like the velocity on two of your patterns are higher than on the others.

MaZa1 · Post by **MaZa1** » Fri May 25, 2012 11:56 pm

narcissus wrote:.... a typical beat would have snare on 9...
nevermind what i was saying earlier

it sounds like the velocity on two of your patterns are higher than on the others.

Ok, ok, snare at 9 my bad

But hows that possible to have higher velocity on those two? and i made a new pattern and the snare is peaking louder than those 4 other patterns..
So why it keeps peaking higher in those 2 and every new pattern i make?
And the problem now is snare, not kick like i first thought

Edit: And it cannot be caused by hihats or other sounds playing at the same time
And i tried to turn the velocity of those snares that are causing this problem, but they sounded much more weak than those with the full velocity...

Hero · Post by **Hero** » Sat May 26, 2012 7:42 am

i mess that up when setting up multiple sidechains to kick when compressing various synths.... t took me awhile how to sidechain to a phantom hit but that will solve you problem if this is related

MaZa1 · Post by **MaZa1** » Sat May 26, 2012 11:46 pm

I dont know what the hell is going on, but i noticed that it is just one of my snares that is causing this thing. The high end snare somehow gets much louder than it should/it is at the other patterns. Its like theres a second huge reverb that turns on in those patterns.

But i checked out carefully that theres no other reverb or automations and i turned the velocity of that snare a bit and now it doesnt sound so weak and its not peaking so high.

So this might be solved, or it is solved but still weird, thanks for replies

nowaysj · Post by **nowaysj** » Sun May 27, 2012 6:58 am

Honestly, a lot can go wrong in even a simple production, especially if you are working fast, smoking weed, or are kind of inexperienced...

it happens all the time, to the best of us. Straight up head scratching, wtf is going on!

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