Is It Over?

[ketamine]

And to answer your original question OP, no. It's not over. The world will go on.

[magma]

I did not say or mean getting DJs (which I'm not even fans of, so it's not like I took personal offense) kicked off makes her a skank. I used that word before I mentioned her having DJs removed, meaning she was already one in my opinion.

Fair enough, but if you said "Who's the twat that just trod on my foot?" you'd be commonly understood as calling someone a twat for standing on your foot.

I don't buy the not knowing or family thing personally, I think they were most likely trying to save face because they think they are royalty. Either way, she milked it in the end (no pun intended, I promise). It's not like I'm a prude or think sex is bad lol, just the personality and promiscuity (whether it's real or just for 'shock'). I don't follow her either, but kids do and that does bother me when young family members tell me about her private life that they hear from friends because they follow her twitter or whatever.

Again, fair enough. It's interesting that people assume she leaked the tape on purpose... perhaps she did, but it strikes me as very similar to the natural assumption that women are "to blame" for the majority of sexual misconduct. Often our subconscious accepts a mysoginistic explanation for that sort of stuff pretty readily... whether it's adultery, rape or, in this case, the distribution of porn.

I guess you've got a different definition of promiscuity to me and it's a moral issue for you. A promiscuous person to me is one that has sex with many different people... I have literally no idea if this is true about Paris Hilton. I've only ever seen evidence that she's had sex with one... it's not promiscuous in the slightest bit to have a boyfriend.

Either way, it's not a moral issue for me. Promiscuous men are social champions, I don't know why we don't celebrate women's conquests in the same way.

[magma]

lmfao at the white knights in this thread. she got famous over a blowjob. she's a step above kardashian's claim to fame -- getting pissed on.
They ARE fucking skanks. and she is talentless. and she isn't even a "pair of tits and a pretty face" -- she's fucking hideous and has lousy tits and size 23 custom made Sasquatch shoes.

Wow.

lol @ "I support anyone getting into EDM blah blah" too are you fucking kidding me? Yeah i could and would ignore it but I saw it, and this shit is good for one thing and one thing only --- absolutely bashing it to hell and getting some laughs amongst ourselves. If you are too noble to stoop to that level maybe you could just keep ignoring Paris by ignoring this thread as well.

So you get your kicks finding footage of other people's parties online and then insulting them to make yourself feel better? And she's the tnuc?

And it's further diluted and stupefied the music biz once again
"reality" entertainment. smh.

How has it devalued anything?

Has Untrue suddenly fallen off all the shelves because Paris Hilton played a party that nobody went to?

Did Chicago Footworkers all stop dancing because her finger touched a crossfader?

Did System get cancelled this weekend because Nicole Richie got booked at The Dome instead?

Or did you blow the entire thing out of proportion to make yourself feel better than someone more priveliged than yourself?

[gwa]

I did not say or mean getting DJs (which I'm not even fans of, so it's not like I took personal offense) kicked off makes her a skank. I used that word before I mentioned her having DJs removed, meaning she was already one in my opinion.

Fair enough, but if you said "Who's the twat that just trod on my foot?" you'd be commonly understood as calling someone a twat for standing on your foot.

I don't buy the not knowing or family thing personally, I think they were most likely trying to save face because they think they are royalty. Either way, she milked it in the end (no pun intended, I promise). It's not like I'm a prude or think sex is bad lol, just the personality and promiscuity (whether it's real or just for 'shock'). I don't follow her either, but kids do and that does bother me when young family members tell me about her private life that they hear from friends because they follow her twitter or whatever.

Again, fair enough. It's interesting that people assume she leaked the tape on purpose... perhaps she did, but it strikes me as very similar to the natural assumption that women are "to blame" for the majority of sexual misconduct. Often our subconscious accepts a mysoginistic explanation for that sort of stuff pretty readily... whether it's adultery, rape or, in this case, the distribution of porn.

I guess you've got a different definition of promiscuity to me and it's a moral issue for you. A promiscuous person to me is one that has sex with many different people... I have literally no idea if this is true about Paris Hilton. I've only ever seen evidence that she's had sex with one... it's not promiscuous in the slightest bit to have a boyfriend.

Either way, it's not a moral issue for me. Promiscuous men are social champions, I don't know why we don't celebrate women's conquests in the same way.

social champion you say?!?!?


@BADGER CHANGE MY USER TITLE FROM HIPSTER TO SOCIAL CHAMPION IMMEDIATELY

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[wormcode]

Again, fair enough. It's interesting that people assume she leaked the tape on purpose... perhaps she did, but it strikes me as very similar to the natural assumption that women are "to blame" for the majority of sexual misconduct. Often our subconscious accepts a mysoginistic explanation for that sort of stuff pretty readily... whether it's adultery, rape or, in this case, the distribution of porn.

I guess you've got a different definition of promiscuity to me and it's a moral issue for you. A promiscuous person to me is one that has sex with many different people... I have literally no idea if this is true about Paris Hilton. I've only ever seen evidence that she's had sex with one... it's not promiscuous in the slightest bit to have a boyfriend.

Either way, it's not a moral issue for me. Promiscuous men are social champions, I don't know why we don't celebrate women's conquests in the same way.

Yeaaahhh, but I don't know, billionaires can't keep it from being released? One of the top 5 richest people in the world? Seems fishy they couldn't just buy it off.
Well as I mentioned I find it objectionable for a male as well and to me those words are not gender-exclusive terms, but that's not the opinion of everyone else obviously. Though it should be maybe... Equality, no? Anyway your definition is the same as mine, and personally I am only interested in long term relationships with one person. Like I said, even if it's just for 'shock' value or whatever, it's still not a good look especially when impressionable kids look up to her or follow her (for whatever insane reason).
I mean, that video you couldn't see was a Burger King advert of her in various sexually suggestive poses.

[ezza]

I think all thats been said is a bit of a joke, people have really blew it out of proportion and made it worse than it is. Why you sticking up for her anyway? She is famous for doing nothing but being a fame seeking whore, which I don't care about, she's just like all the other morons out there (men & women) but there is certainly no need to stick up for her.

[garethom]

Either way, it's not a moral issue for me. Promiscuous men are social champions, I don't know why we don't celebrate women's conquests in the same way.

Not true in some cases. Amongst a group of friends, probably the most "laddy" of my circles of friends, my friend gets absolutely packed for sleeping around. He's a top mong, and completely irresponsible.

[gwa]

obviously he has not heard the term 'think smart; think gwa.'

[magma]

Again, fair enough. It's interesting that people assume she leaked the tape on purpose... perhaps she did, but it strikes me as very similar to the natural assumption that women are "to blame" for the majority of sexual misconduct. Often our subconscious accepts a mysoginistic explanation for that sort of stuff pretty readily... whether it's adultery, rape or, in this case, the distribution of porn.

I guess you've got a different definition of promiscuity to me and it's a moral issue for you. A promiscuous person to me is one that has sex with many different people... I have literally no idea if this is true about Paris Hilton. I've only ever seen evidence that she's had sex with one... it's not promiscuous in the slightest bit to have a boyfriend.

Either way, it's not a moral issue for me. Promiscuous men are social champions, I don't know why we don't celebrate women's conquests in the same way.

Yeaaahhh, but I don't know, billionaires can't keep it from being released? One of the top 5 richest people in the world? Seems fishy they couldn't just buy it off.
Well as I mentioned I find it objectionable for a male as well and to me those words are not gender-exclusive terms, but that's not the opinion of everyone else obviously. Though it should be maybe... Equality, no? Anyway your definition is the same as mine, and personally I am only interested in long term relationships with one person. Like I said, even if it's just for 'shock' value or whatever, it's still not a good look especially when impressionable kids look up to her or follow her (for whatever insane reason).
I mean, that video you couldn't see was a Burger King advert of her in various sexually suggestive poses.

How would they stop it? Once something's posted on the Internet, it's pretty difficult to stop it spreading and I doubt her parents knew it even existed until it was too late (would you tell your parents you made sex tapes with your girlfriend unless it got into the wrong hands?)

They took the dude to court, but I'm pretty sure that even the ultrarich don't have a "DELETE FROM MEMORY OF HUMANITY FOREVER" button, but perhaps they do and I'm just being naive?

Her being sexy in a Burger King advert isn't especially relevant - whatever model had been chosen for that would've been given the same direction. She's certainly not the first woman to use her sex appeal to sell a company's products and she won't be the last... humans are sexual creatures and this is a trait that will continue to be exploited (just like our appetites for food, water and music are exploited daily too)

Either way, it doesn't make her promiscuous.... and, more importantly, it still doesn't make her alleged promiscuity relevant to her DJing. The reason this thread turned into a debate was because people rolled out her sexual past as if it was relevant to her becoming a DJ - we still seem to be focussing on her sexual history.


Agent47 - I can only assume you're not reading my posts. I'm not sticking up for Paris Hilton. I'm attacking the way men immediately reach for sexual insults when discussing women. Paris Hilton just happened to be the woman in question. Call her a vacuous tnuc all you like, but say she shouldn't be DJing because she's a "whore" and you'll get called out.

social champion you say?!?!?


@BADGER CHANGE MY USER TITLE FROM HIPSTER TO SOCIAL CHAMPION IMMEDIATELY

[kidshuffle]

today is right though; the only reason she is famous is because of that blowjob. had that not leaked right before the simple life came out, she would just be another hollywood bum. i mean, sure, there were those other videos of her doing coke off fat guys (then knockin boots of course), but the bj was the main one. the simple life was also just a show so we could see hot girls doing farm work and gettin down and dirty in the mud. thats it. i'm sure you would agree that those acts are pretty low and/or sleazy...which happens to be what skankin is

[wormcode]

How would they stop it? Once something's posted on the Internet, it's pretty difficult to stop it spreading and I doubt her parents knew it even existed until it was too late (would you tell your parents you made sex tapes with your girlfriend unless it got into the wrong hands?)

They took the dude to court, but I'm pretty sure that even the ultrarich don't have a "DELETE FROM MEMORY OF HUMANITY FOREVER" button, but perhaps they do and I'm just being naive?

Her being sexy in a Burger King advert isn't especially relevant - whatever model had been chosen for that would've been given the same direction. She's certainly not the first woman to use her sex appeal to sell a company's products and she won't be the last... humans are sexual creatures and this is a trait that will continue to be exploited (just like our appetites for food, water and music are exploited daily too)

Either way, it doesn't make her promiscuous.... and, more importantly, it still doesn't make her alleged promiscuity relevant to her DJing. The reason this thread turned into a debate was because people rolled out her sexual past as if it was relevant to her becoming a DJ - we still seem to be focussing on her sexual history.

Well other far less wealthy people have stopped tapes from getting out. Successfully suing, tying it up in court until the other party runs out of funds, buying the rights from them, whatever. If they took the person to court, they knew about it for a good while. Anyway, it was sold in stores not posted online, that's what I meant (obviously it got online after someone ripped the DVD yeah).

The advert is relevant because it shows what kind of person she is. She doesn;t need money, yet still actively seeks these types of things out. People roll out her sexual past and always will because that is how she presents herself to the public, and she seems happy about it. So why should others care when someone points it out? Anyway, this is probably the oddest debate on here in a while. I can't believe the main topic is Paris Hilton. We're playing right into their hands spreading her fame.

[kidshuffle]

edit: the guy in the tape gave a copy to a porn producer, then they payed her $400,000 to put it on dvd.

[kidshuffle]

double

[magma]

today is right though; the only reason she is famous is because of that blowjob. had that not leaked right before the simple life came out, she would just be another hollywood bum. i mean, sure, there were those other videos of her doing coke off fat guys (then knockin boots of course), but the bj was the main one. the simple life was also just a show so we could see hot girls doing farm work and gettin down and dirty in the mud. thats it. i'm sure you would agree that those acts are pretty low and/or sleazy...which happens to be what skankin is

I've no idea if she would've become famous without the tape... but she was in and around Hollywood already. She turns up in Zoolander at some point which was a good while before that tape... whilst doublechecking that on Wiki I saw she was already signed to Donald Trump's modelling agency too. I have a feeling she probably would've become famous anyway, but, sure, anyone else could've starred in The Simple Life.

Giving a blowjob is neither low down nor sleazy unless you're living a good few decades ago.

Filming it isn't either, IMHO. (I admit this is still a matter for personal morality)

Releasing it to the public may well be, but by all accounts that was his decision, not hers. All she's done is turn the situation to her advantage by suing for the royalties when it became clear she couldn't stop the world seeing it.

But again - what relevance is her sexual history to her DJing? The only relevant questions are "Is she any good?" and "Shall I pay to go and watch her", the answer to both of which is "Absolutely not".

[magma]

We're playing right into their hands spreading her fame.

Absolutely. Like I said before, I had literally no idea she was a DJ until seeing this thread. I haven't seen anything of her since about 2004.

So thanks, Ninjas.

[Today]

please, you know i didn't tape or post this vid. I'm just not too high and mighty to take a crack at it. It's funny. Nothing more or less. She's a laughingstock and she deserves whatever flavor of attention it receives. Which is from me, nothing but a big laugh. Whatever, she'll laugh all the way to the bank over it but honestly if anyone cares about music they ought to feel bad if that's their exhibition of music. Which overall kinda cheapens the landscape for musical exhibition as seen by the layperson. No, it's not gonna corner Mala's bookings from the market.
It's just some shit that sucks and deserves to get laughed at, which is how most of the internet's responding. I enjoy it. I like the lol's

[hayze99]

Paris Hilton has no artistic merit, no entrepreneurial merit, is a bad role model, and has set the lowest possible standard for music imaginable. Stop fucking defending her.

Well, you've given me lots of reasons to ignore her... but are any of them good enough to warrant bringing her up for the sole purpose of spreading negativity? (I realise it's not your thread btw)

Thousands of untalented men DJ every single week. I used to live with one. He made a bit of cash and got laid a LOT by playing electrohouse-by-numbers to students and mash-heads. At the very core of its function, the DJ is a service... they're there to provide music for a party - it's only really up to the people at the party to decide whether they're any good or not. If Paris Hilton played shit Electrohouse at System she'd get booed off. If we turned up and played a DMZ plates set at her party we'd get booed off. But if we weren't interested enough to go to or even find out about the actual party, why on earth would we look at clips of it on YouTube just to make ourselves angry? Isn't that.... mental?

To put that into context - I tend to ignore reality TV stars and "celebrities" (i.e. the ones famous for being famous rather than their actions)... it's not very difficult, tbh and if it wasn't for SNH I would have absolutely no idea what Paris Hilton has been up to since about 2003. You're all helping her career by ramping up her controversy.

But the most disturbing bit is the way the insults change for a female. If a male makes shit art or is considered to have sold out or cheapened a scene, the insults are all based around that. Around the actions that pissed people off. With Paris Hilton (as with Tulisa and however many others) the music is the second thing to get judged - the first thing is the fact that she's a pretty girl with a rich Dad that we can prove once had the audacity to ENJOY SEX. Not that she became a pornstar or anything... no, she made a sextape with her boyfriend (as I imagine many ninjas girlfriends have done with them) which was then distributed behind her back - probably one of the more traumatising experiences a woman can go through short of physical assault and rape.

But still, it is true, she had sex at least once. The man she loved filmed it. The man she loved then sold it to the rest of the world behind her back. She's such a whore.

The video and situation just brings to light the concept of the degradation of popular culture in a big way, so the 'anger' - and decision not to ignore it is mainly directed towards that, not to Paris Hilton or the YouTube video specifically. It comes down to personal preference regarding what you want to discuss and think about. For every positive opinion, you're going to have a negative opinion, so it's pointless trying to quell the negatives.

And if you're talking about the name-calling - well, people are calling her a slut and a whore based only on her actions, and it's naturally the closest derogative word that people are going to reach for. It's NOT the fact that she had a famous sex-tape, and had it serve as the bedrock of her entire career. It's the fact that she carries herself in such a way that shows that she either revels in it, or just has absolutely no qualms about it being such a turning point. A girl 'traumatised' by a leaked sex tape does not walk around in pink fluffy tops, pouting her lips at every camera and spewing "That's Hot". Paris Hilton is a fucking slut. I don't know if she is promiscuous, but Paris Hilton is a fucking slut.

And that's not even the issue. The issue is that that's exactly the image she projects to her hundreds of thousands of her young fans, and she knows it. Despite an entire lifetime of opportunity unimaginable to even the wealthiest people, she floundered it and became some dumb blonde on a farm. Then she became some girl in a leaked sex tape. And continuously, despite STILL having access to the hearts and minds of thousands, she gets on stage, flails her arms around just does ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL. She's not DJing at a little house party, she's taking stand in front of hundreds of thousands of people, and knows she's duping them all.

Is she lucid enough to know that she's the harbinger of this wave of desolate Jersey Shore wankstain culture? Probably. Does it all probably stem from some deep seated issues? Also probably, but it's still extremely odd that you're defending her like she's some defenceless little girl.

[InternetSlaveMaster]

She can't help she was born into a rich family. Poor kids in Africa think US/British people are overprivilidged. We can't help that. But if we suddenly want to DJ and do it, should they attack us personally?

Well if I was an African child and I saw Youngsta mixing it up on the decks I wouldn't be like "Bullshit! Just because he was born in a 1st world country he can do whatever he wants!", Youngsta worked to get where he is, has skill, and is 100% invested into what he does, etc..

Paris on the other hand...

Only time will tell. If she's still doing it in 10 years and has gotten substantially better, then we'll be proven wrong.

Chances of that actually happening..

[magma]

Is she lucid enough to know that she's the harbinger of this wave of desolate Jersey Shore wankstain culture? Probably. Does it all probably stem from some deep seated issues? Also probably, but it's still extremely odd that you're defending her like she's some defenceless little girl.

I can assure you I'm not defending Paris Hilton, I'm attacking the trend of using a woman's sexual history to belittlle her rather than actions and behaviour that actually matter.

How someone dresses, who they sleep with, whether they film it and whether it gets shown to the public has absolutely no bearing on whether someone is a worthwhile person or not. Paris Hilton shouldn't get booed off stage for being a "slut" (nobody should), she should be booed off stage for having no talent.

If this thread was full of words like "tnuc", "idiot", "vacuous", "ignorant" and "useless" then it wouldn't have raised any sort of reaction from me - I would've ignored it as I do with most celebrity threads - it's the instant reach for the sexual slurs that got me. Having sex doesn't make someone a bad person. Being a bad person makes someone a bad person.

We all have sex, we all do drugs (even if it's just alcohol) and we all get wilder than we should from time to time. I bet our a lot of our Dads took photos of our Mums when Polaroid first came out... I bet a fair few of us were even concieved high. Does it make our Mums sluts? Nah, it makes them human. We've got to stop looking down on people who have sex.

As for her DJ career, as with most things, it's up to the paying public to decide, isn't it? From where I'm standing club culture is as healthy as ever... so if she sells out superclub tours, then fuck, she's perfectly welcome to exploit some idiots... I won't be going to see her and I doubt anyone I know will. Hopefully I won't even hear about it, like when Britney Spears tours.