Girl Unit - Wut was a shotgun blast to the knee of Dubstep

[djrobyn]

hey, hold on! nowadays they even mix footwork with JUNGLE! i kid you not!

why are you so surprised? They are the same BPM and share a lot of characteristics.

[wubstep]

It's all crap.

[garethom]

Actually, more to blame are the magazines, websites and blogs that over hype this shit. They see one sound, run with it for ages, everybody gets on the hype machine, rips are made from Samp 8w1 b2b DJ Rashad shows, set to backdrops of attractive indie girls, producers that were doing their thing get their head turned, people praise them to high heaven like they're doing something special.

I'm not looking for every single tune to be something new or groundbreaking, but I haven't bought a new release on vinyl in absolutely ages now. Near enough every release that comes out can be fitted into 2 or 3 cookie cutter sections.

People say that too many people being able to produce is a bad thing, but that's not true. Too many people producing the same thing is the problem.

[joeki]

This thread is ridiculous. Wut a shotgun blast to the knee of dubstep?

By the time Wut was out dubstep was a rotting corps already so your entire argument is non-existant for me.

Who was still making dubstep last year? Literally a dozen of producers MAX. The rest were rehashing, like necrophiliacs, a bunch of untalented people that read guides to producing and copied an earlier style with no soul left.

No, Girl Unit didn't deliver a blast to the knee. Perhaps it revived the corps and sure, Frankenstein isn't always easy to look at.

[wub]

This thread is ridiculous. Wut a shotgun blast to the knee of dubstep?

You appear to have omitted half the opening sentence.

By the time Wut was out dubstep was a rotting corps already so your entire argument is non-existant for me.

Who was still making dubstep last year? Literally a dozen of producers MAX. The rest were rehashing, like necrophiliacs, a bunch of untalented people that read guides to producing and copied an earlier style with no soul left.

No, Girl Unit didn't deliver a blast to the knee. Perhaps it revived the corps and sure, Frankenstein isn't always easy to look at.

This thread isn't just about Dubstep though. Read the thread though and you'll see that.

[hutyluty]

Tbh im kind of confused about all these accusations of everything sounding the same. I know its not considered polite to name names but yeah, maybe its just cos i havent listened to the swamp 81 show rrcently but i havent heard many '808 tunes' at all recently

Mosca- eva mendes, AMUS- Take the Plunge, Blawan- Peaches, Kowton- Des Bisous. All of these very different tunes have come from this "scene" and none sound alike at all! Local scenes such as dubstep are a thing of the past and the new game is global producers taking influences from all over the world. Which to me is very exciting.

[dubfordessert]

hey, hold on! nowadays they even mix footwork with JUNGLE! i kid you not!

why are you so surprised? They are the same BPM and share a lot of characteristics.

i've only just got into the jungle/footwork stuff and it's awesome, very natural combination

tbh i think the only problem is that there is so much music out there it's harder for people to find the shit they like amongst all the shit they don't. i don't spend a huge amount of my time rummaging through all this music so i don't actually know what any of you are talking about, and apparently i'm a lot happier for it every so often i have a look at what's been happening, follow the leads i fancy and ignore what i don't. as a consequence i don't have this crazy in depth knowledge of the progress of music but i also don't have massive beef with half a dozen labels for using the wrong drum machine

the main reason the past looks better is because everyone's forgotten the shite. because it was shite. i'm not worried

[skimpi]

Tbh im kind of confused about all these accusations of everything sounding the same. I know its not considered polite to name names but yeah, maybe its just cos i havent listened to the swamp 81 show rrcently but i havent heard many '808 tunes' at all recently

Mosca- eva mendes, AMUS- Take the Plunge, Blawan- Peaches, Kowton- Des Bisous. All of these very different tunes have come from this "scene" and none sound alike at all! Local scenes such as dubstep are a thing of the past and the new game is global producers taking influences from all over the world. Which to me is very exciting.

Thats because all of the well known guys have moved on from that, and its all the 'newer' guys who are still on that hype. I think all of the main guys who did it first, did it well, and I liked it, but all these guys just making '808 Bass' tracks are shit, jsut trying to make Boddika/Addison Groove copies. Those guys you mentioned never made 808 tunes anyway, and are always doing something different and staying ahead of the crowd, no one sounds like them, before they did it anyway.

[capo ultra]

I for the life of me can't work out why anyone bitches about there being too much music. If you don't like it don't listen to it. It's really simple.

[Genevieve]

Aiight, didn't read most of the replies tbh, but yeah, this is kinda like blaming all shit music on some cro-magnons hitting rocks with sticks because they did the 4/4 beat first. Or Vex'd for Skrillex for making dubstep brutal and midrangey.

And I actually think 'Wut' is the product of a more overriding theme in "post dubstep" London based EDM where, London based labels/producers try to find an American based music style (trap, electro, house, G-funk) and try to put a "UK" spin on it. That's what pretty much all UK based EDM is (rave is the UK's answer to acid, jungle and grime to hip-hop, UKG and 2-step to r&b and house.. dubstep seemed more self-referential as it seems to be based on jungle). But now in the internet era, that process seems to have been sped up and we have producers picking from FlyLo/Machinedrum/Prefuse 73, to the whole footwork/juke/trax scene, to trap, hip-house, electro, acid, Timbaland style production and so on (or going back in time and picking bits from grime, 2-step and jungle) and this all happens so fast, even on the same label or release, that it's alll kind of acknowledged as dubstep music (but not really), because there's really not time to form a 'coherent scene' around each of these sounds.

Not a complaint, though. Just an obsercation.

[dubfordessert]

yea i think "scenes" being less based around a single sound is definitely a good thing. that said you don't necessarily want every sound mushed together into every track, every night to feature every genre. there's a happy medium somewhere...

[Sonika]

I like Wut, I like Glut, and I've seen some hate for that swamp81 release Trusta - Hyptnotic/Feels So, but I love that one too
Haven't heard much else of the stuff theyre calling "Bass" or whatever, but I like what I've heard

[Genevieve]

The good thing is that a sound doesn't stick around long enough for it to oversaturate mainstream festivals and car commercials I guess, so it isn't EVERYWHERE like brostep. A few label's outputs may sound really similar for 3 a few months but there's more stylistic movement.

Dubstep stopped being interesting with the first few halfstep tunes. I mean, has dubstep at large really taken any jumps forward since 'Haunted' that made anyone second guess what could be done with the genre? There were some oddities here and there (Boxcutter, Milanese...) but after brostep hit the scene there was a total stylistic standstill in ALL dubstep.

Heads are more liberal in the use of different rhythms, bpms, stylistic influences, etc, these days.And it's easy to call it all pseudo-futuristic bass music, but when you compare it to dubstep which has been the same since 2005, I think the UK is still doing alright.

[dickman69]

Tbh im kind of confused about all these accusations of everything sounding the same. I know its not considered polite to name names but yeah, maybe its just cos i havent listened to the swamp 81 show rrcently but i havent heard many '808 tunes' at all recently

Mosca- eva mendes, AMUS- Take the Plunge, Blawan- Peaches, Kowton- Des Bisous. All of these very different tunes have come from this "scene" and none sound alike at all! Local scenes such as dubstep are a thing of the past and the new game is global producers taking influences from all over the world. Which to me is very exciting.

Thats because all of the well known guys have moved on from that, and its all the 'newer' guys who are still on that hype. I think all of the main guys who did it first, did it well, and I liked it, but all these guys just making '808 Bass' tracks are shit, jsut trying to make Boddika/Addison Groove copies. Those guys you mentioned never made 808 tunes anyway, and are always doing something different and staying ahead of the crowd, no one sounds like them, before they did it anyway.

Trusta...?

[skimpi]

Tbh im kind of confused about all these accusations of everything sounding the same. I know its not considered polite to name names but yeah, maybe its just cos i havent listened to the swamp 81 show rrcently but i havent heard many '808 tunes' at all recently

Mosca- eva mendes, AMUS- Take the Plunge, Blawan- Peaches, Kowton- Des Bisous. All of these very different tunes have come from this "scene" and none sound alike at all! Local scenes such as dubstep are a thing of the past and the new game is global producers taking influences from all over the world. Which to me is very exciting.

Thats because all of the well known guys have moved on from that, and its all the 'newer' guys who are still on that hype. I think all of the main guys who did it first, did it well, and I liked it, but all these guys just making '808 Bass' tracks are shit, jsut trying to make Boddika/Addison Groove copies. Those guys you mentioned never made 808 tunes anyway, and are always doing something different and staying ahead of the crowd, no one sounds like them, before they did it anyway.

Trusta...?

Well, those tunes surfaced ages ago, I dont really listen to much Swamp anyway so I wouldn't really know lol, I just wanted to point out that theres probably a lot more people jumping on that sound, than there are the 'Originators' these days and by originators I just mean the guys who brought those sounds to this scene first.

[hutyluty]

Those guys you mentioned never made 808 tunes anyway, and are always doing something different and staying ahead of the crowd, no one sounds like them, before they did it anyway.

Yeah, I mentioned these guys (who are generally played by the same djs as plays the 808 stuff) to address the point that Wut/sicko cell/glu had somehow destroyed "bassmusic in general"

There's still amazing, original music being made- much more so in this area than in the other areas this forum contains- ie. bro/dungeon

[NickUndercover]

Most of the time I can't tell a producer from another, it's just a cowbell massacre. Some producers do stand out though but it's become really rare... Like the dungeon side of things. Let's just say they're not producing the music i'm looking for.

[skwiggo]

Tbh im kind of confused about all these accusations of everything sounding the same. I know its not considered polite to name names but yeah, maybe its just cos i havent listened to the swamp 81 show rrcently but i havent heard many '808 tunes' at all recently

Mosca- eva mendes, AMUS- Take the Plunge, Blawan- Peaches, Kowton- Des Bisous. All of these very different tunes have come from this "scene" and none sound alike at all! Local scenes such as dubstep are a thing of the past and the new game is global producers taking influences from all over the world. Which to me is very exciting.

Thats because all of the well known guys have moved on from that, and its all the 'newer' guys who are still on that hype. I think all of the main guys who did it first, did it well, and I liked it, but all these guys just making '808 Bass' tracks are shit, jsut trying to make Boddika/Addison Groove copies. Those guys you mentioned never made 808 tunes anyway, and are always doing something different and staying ahead of the crowd, no one sounds like them, before they did it anyway.

This! this is what i've been arguing throughout the thread. i love all the well known producers who made the sound originally (not originally but brought it to the scene if you know what i mean), it's when loads of other people start copying the sound or rinsing it to death that it gets stale! hit the nail on the head for me with this. there's loads of good house, electro and techno outwith the bass scene too that people within the scene ignore too i think...

[ultraspatial]

The blow was all the major tastemakers claiming dubstep's dead (pretty much like they did with dnb). Followed by mass bandwagoning of a lot of big producers and labels. Dubstep was doing just fine before all these people started acting like they were never part of it.
Personally I find it more unappealing than brostep so I don't bother anymore. There's some stuff I like (Apple Pips, DecaRhythm, Ikonika, LV, DjRum, Livity, Trevino etc), a lot I don't. I just don't get the sudden appeal of these 2-3 decade old styles (or any sort of "revival" for that matter). What's next? Gabba and happy hardcore?

[Sonika]

I hate when people say dubstep's dead/gone stale

Maybe it's because they've been in it since the beginning and witnessed it at a very revolutionary and much quicker-moving era, and yes perhaps it has slowed down, but it's still really fucking exciting, at least for me. Maybe it's because I just got into dubstep and all electronic music in the last year, but as far as I see it, tons of producers are cranking out amazing, innovative shit at 140 still