Keeping resampled basses clear & crisp?

[IELMusic94]

I've been messing around lately, trying to spice up my bass sounds through resampling, but I can't seem to achieve the desired effect. After a couple resamples, the sound starts to turn to mush, and it only gets worse from there. To those that have had success with crazy FX chains and resampling, how do you keep your sound clear and crisp enough to actually make use of?

[python453]

Bump. My resamples either don't do much to the sound or throw them in a blender and liquify them.

[Brian Oblivion]

dont resample them then, dont do anything you cant see a direct benefit from, esp something as vague as resampling.

[deadly_habit]

less is more, don't go nuts with each step and you won't end up with a mess

[Brian Oblivion]

true, I think often what people suffer from when resampling isnt so much the bounces but just an overdose of extreme effects that are now hard coded into the sound.

[Warwolt]

The point of resampling really is just to solidify the current state the bass is in. For example, I've worked with synth patches and FX combinations that sound great on a few couple of notes, because the timbre is so dependent on the frequency. I'd then resample a few bars of one or two of the notes and then put that in a sampler and continue from there.

Sometimes a bassline might be modulated so heavily by so many parameters that arranging becomes difficult, where you could see a benefit from resampling it into audio, so that you can simply chop and paste around to make the bassline longer with more variation.

[hasezwei]

so many people misinterpret resampling. i did, for a long time.

listen to the 3 posts above me guys.

[mthrfnk]

If you have Harmor, this video is quite cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azvbr3RjQRI

[deadly_habit]

as i linked before resampling vid by me
you're going to have to download it for now as it's part of a series that is getting uploaded later this month

[ill mindset]

good info in this thread. Its easy to take what you've heard too literally and over-do it. MY understanding is that re-sampling is a way of sculpting a sound and augmenting or affecting certain aspects. You cant expect that after the third or fourth time bouncing to audio, its suddenly gonna sound amazing. When it starts to turn to mud, back up and take it in another direction

"Compress the hell out of it" is my favorite vague tip that everyone uses. I hate when people say that. lol

[MassAphekt]

make sure to render in wav 32bit float to get the most of your resamples

[NinjaEdit]

Lossless is overrated. I bounce that shit to 8k.

[Sharmaji]

Rule #1 of audio: make it sound better in the song, not worse.

[ephyks]

Funny thing. I was just about to make this topic.

I was recently working on a neuro tune and got just the nastiest bass. But there was a lot of fuzz in the sound. Mostly from the wave shape and a little too much distortion. I didn't know which one sounded better, the slight fuzz in the mix made it sound fuller, but less sound makes it sound more professional.

Also, in your mids + highs, waveshapes like squares sound cleaner. Especially in reeses square waves give your sound some fuckin' crazy crunchy plastic twisting sound. It's fuckin' crazy.

[Toolman4]

When resampling, I used to do this: (btw simplified to get my point across)

Synth > effects chain > bounce > resample. In the effects chain I was very subtle with my fx, but let's say that I would Freq split, adding different fx to each band. Perhaps a slow phase/flange on mids/highs, bitcrush, chorus, etc. also add some filter movement, moving notches, etc etc. What I'm getting at is on the first bounce I had a shit ton of subtle fx going on. After bouncing that and doing it over again, it usually sounded crappy. Do multiple bounces with 1-2 fx at a time. This has proven more favorable results.

[NinjaEdit]

I was recently working on a neuro tune and got just the nastiest bass. But there was a lot of fuzz in the sound. Mostly from the wave shape and a little too much distortion. I didn't know which one sounded better, the slight fuzz in the mix made it sound fuller, but less sound makes it sound more professional.

Layer them, or modulate/alternate between them.

[Theo Void]

I think in the minds of many "re-sampling" has become some magical process that automatically turns your tracks awesome! There's so many threads on so many forums of people name dropping the technique as if knowing how to do it makes them cool by association or some shit. That said, I re-sample everything! I do it because pretty much every track I make has 6 or more bass tracks which each have heavily automated synths and are all intertwined together in the sound. I literally have to re-sample. trying to work w/ all that intricate MIDI is a fucking nightmare! Plus, different elements tend to drift or become off time somehow. Then there's the obvious benefit of CPU savings. So now just about every track I make becomes 2 different projects. I have the sound design and ridiculously automated MIDI project and rather than delete it all I just bounce it all down to audio and start a new project w/ the WAV files. That way if I really do wanna change some of the modulation or the sounds I can refer back to the original MIDI project. Plus, IMHO, audio is just so much more fun to work with. I save all my bounced Bass WAV files of intricate crazy baselines and mid range stuff and now have a nice sized library of custom sounds. Then I take those WAV files and slice to MIDI in Ableton and basically build awesome little custom synth instruments that are playable on my LAunchpad or keyboard. Then when I bang out something dope on that I bounce it down again, and again and again. Thats why its so much fun. The possibilities are ENDLESS!!!!

[MassAphekt]

I think in the minds of many "re-sampling" has become some magical process that automatically turns your tracks awesome! There's so many threads on so many forums of people name dropping the technique as if knowing how to do it makes them cool by association or some shit. That said, I re-sample everything! I do it because pretty much every track I make has 6 or more bass tracks which each have heavily automated synths and are all intertwined together in the sound. I literally have to re-sample. trying to work w/ all that intricate MIDI is a fucking nightmare! Plus, different elements tend to drift or become off time somehow. Then there's the obvious benefit of CPU savings. So now just about every track I make becomes 2 different projects. I have the sound design and ridiculously automated MIDI project and rather than delete it all I just bounce it all down to audio and start a new project w/ the WAV files. That way if I really do wanna change some of the modulation or the sounds I can refer back to the original MIDI project. Plus, IMHO, audio is just so much more fun to work with. I save all my bounced Bass WAV files of intricate crazy baselines and mid range stuff and now have a nice sized library of custom sounds. Then I take those WAV files and slice to MIDI in Ableton and basically build awesome little custom synth instruments that are playable on my LAunchpad or keyboard. Then when I bang out something dope on that I bounce it down again, and again and again. Thats why its so much fun. The possibilities are ENDLESS!!!!

this is basically what I do as well lol, once you finished processing your bass, resampled, then processed with your sub under once more, you can then take that bounced stem and split the lows and midhigh onto seperate sends, usually with the rest of your sampled basses then do further mixing processing to it with your track, it comes in handy. at this online music course Im taking suggest 32bit WAV float in resampling because you already will be bouncing the track into 24bit wav afterwards that is if you really wish to attain all data of your synths

[stevemac]

as i linked before resampling vid by me
you're going to have to download it for now as it's part of a series that is getting uploaded later this month

Which series is this part of (from massivesynth.com)?