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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by downlink » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:46 am

dubz wrote:Wssup D - long time listener, first time caller...
Wondering if the rumours are true about you hating Toronto like how the rest of Canada does?

Also - can you give us a couple of tips that you wish you knew as a budding producer that would help take producing to the next level?

Cheers (go Canada eh!)
What up my Canadian bredren!

I defintely don't hate Toronto. I will say that the only show I've ever played there totally sucked. Not sure what happened as they had a venue change last minute and a lot of people didn't even know about the show. It was like 3 years ago or something and there were only like 20 people there. Hahahaha. It was embarrassing but I still rocked out and chilled with everyone before and after.

Good tips for a budding producer.

Only use high grade samples
Hit up youtube for tutorials
Read Music Production Magazines
Learn only a few plugins at a time, Its better to master something before moving on.
Listen to lots of different types of music but stay focussed on whats important when it comes to writing music.
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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by downlink » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:51 am

Cheeky wrote:ezi mate,
one of the few heavy artists in dubstep that i can listen to and enjoy!
my question is,
have you ever tried making something radically different to what usually make, for example deep house or something?
I've made a lot of music that is nothing like the stuff I release as Downlink. No deep house, but that might be something to try. I used to make breaks. I've made lots of dnb. I even made a few tech house tracks a couple years ago but never really developed them that far. These days I tend to steer more into the experimental realm when I'm making other types of music. I haven't had much time to do anything other than Downlink stuff lately. It's challenging when you do this professionally to justify noodling around in the studio on glitchy weird shit thats purely self indulgent.
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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by downlink » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:07 am

Versuz wrote:big ups for doing this, big fan of your stuff!

questions:

what process do you go through to make your sub bass and and midrange bass flow together and sounding huge?

how should i mix down my tracks if i want to play them out in clubs?

do you plan on making any different genres in the near future?

how was it working with the guys from korn who have a lot of musical background?

what did you do use for the piano in your intro for "ghost"?

in your track "the scientist" with vaski how did you make that bass @ :55 that sounds like its being pitched down?

do you plan on doing collabs more often with other people in the Rottun crew besides excision or datsik? (liquid stranger, ajapai, etc)

thanks and keep up the good work :Q:
Hey man good questions, and lots of them. Let's see here...


Use a pure sine wave for your sub. Any synth can do this. Roll it off at around 150hz or something. No hard rule, but be mindful of the notes your playing. Then layer in your midrange which you will hi pass at around 80 - 140 depending on the sound again. You just don't want any weird phasing with your sub. Route all your mid range stuff to a bus and then use a plugin that will allow you to control the stereo width of a designated frequency band. The idea here is to mono all of the low frequencies of your mid range bass. I like to mono everything below 200 usually but some people go higher I've heard. I just like more width than most people on my midrange stuff I think. If you mix the sub and the midrange bass together they should sound pretty fucking huge if the levels are balanced. Its really not rocket science here.

To mix tracks for the club I usually just mix everything pretty hot into the master. Clipping like 2 - 3 db in places when transients pop. Then I put a limiter on the master (L2 usually) and then just make sure its not working too hard. Bounce it down and listen to it. If it sounds good and loud next to a mastered tune then your all set. Even if its not quite as good, I say fuck it, its just a tester anyhow.

Yes I plan to make many different genres in the future. I've been working on lots of 140 bpm stuff that is more straight beat oriented but with snares on the 4 or 8. And then shuffley "dismantle" type percussion. Really fucking hard heavy sounding shit tho.

The experience with Korn was indescribable for me. Growing up listening to them and then getting to work and tour with them was a life changing experience that I will never forget. Jonathan has become a great friend that I look up to and respect so much. I learned a lot about "real" music working with them as well. It was just all around a great experience.

The piano on the intro to Ghost was something I quickly wrote using a stock piano multisample instrument in logics EXS-24. I'm not sure which exact one it was but you can flick through them and find it pretty easily if you use logic.

The pitch down bass that you are referring to is something I've used in multiple tracks. It's achieved using a square wave osc set to formant. In massive. Just use a simple envelope to bring the formant position down and then also bring down the pitch of the osc. I think there was some simple tube saturation and maybe a bit of Unison or something. Maybe some phasing on it as well.

I plan to collaborate with so many people but I'm so bad at getting around to them all. Me and Ajapai have actually started a couple things and I've started stuff with some other people too but its so hard to get to it all. I will one day. Liquid Stranger is a homie as well that I really need to get something going with.
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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by downlink » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:11 am

_v_ wrote:Cheers Downlink.
how about a random production tip?
Many of you may already know or do this, but try sidechaining all of your midrange bass to your snare a slight bit. Don't go overboard; used subtly you will love this trick.
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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by downlink » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:16 am

Efrafa11 wrote:Big up for the Q&a!

What are your influences outside of dubstep?
and
Which of your tracks do you think gets the best audience response and why?

Again, massive respect for your time man.
Thanks man!

I've talked before about some of my influences so check those responses.

As for which of my tunes get the best response. Crippled Camel, Factory, Ignition, Gamma Ray, My collabs with Excision all seem to go the fuck off as well.

Its hard to say why people love certain tunes but dance floors definitely respond to those ones. Gamma cuz its classic I guess. Ignition cuz its hi energy, same with crippled camel. Factory cuz its well known and hi pitched noise make people feel hyped.

My favourite song I've ever written is Station Six and to be honest it doesn't really go off live that well, nor did it chart or sell well. Not sure if its just the flow of it or something but its really more of a techy in the headphones or car type of tune I think. I really want to capture the vibe of that tune again, even if its not a dance floor smash.
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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by downlink » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:26 am

Primitiv wrote:Your a legend for doing this Q&A man,

How do you process your drums for your average track (Compression, Saturation, EQ etc.)?

Do you use a drum machine or straight audio hits?

Do you run effects through Sends & Returns, or are the effects just slapped straight on the drums?

Thx again. :)
Thanks for the question, I talked about drums a bit before but here's some more info.

I use audio hits and loops for drums.

For the individual processing of each drum I will use various processes. Typical snare processing might see eq'ing, then compression, then transient shaping, then more compression or limiting. Oligarc Drive is a plugin I frequently use on snares.

I have a kick bus, a snare bus, a hat bus, a loop bus, a second loop bus, and an fx bus

All of my drum tracks in the arrange will get eq'd and processed individually on their channel, and then routed to their appropriate bus. Then on each of the buses will be further processing, eq'ing, compression, saturation, and then all of these drums get bussed together and glued using subtle compression (cytomic "the glue" is a plugin specifically built for this type of application). I sometimes use Oxford Inflator or Logic Overdrive on my drum bus as well. Also on my midrange basses ;)

It's important to note also that I do have sends set up for reverb, delay, presence, and parallel compression. I can send any desired amount of my individual drum hits to these or I can send any desired amount of the bus to these.
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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by downlink » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:36 am

mthrfnk wrote:I thought up a couple more questions, hope thats cool:
>You mentioned you use Ozone for mastering in an earlier post - what setting do you utilise, do you base them off a preset or do you got through each setting manually and tweak? Is Ozone the only plugin you use on your master bus? Aside from self mastering, do you get tracks progessionally mastered, if so how do they compare to your self-masters and when (if at all) would you recommend using a mastering house.
>I think you kind of covered this, but when designing a bass sound do you like to utilise multiple instances of a synth (e.g. Massive) to cover various frequencies and then EQ & glue them together or do you prefer to start from a single source sound?
>Finally what is the sound/melody that you are most proud of creating?

Thanks :w:
Ozone and L2 are the only things I use to treat my master bus. I do have EQ and analyzers on there for mixing purposes but those are bypassed when bouncing. I don't really use presets at all with Ozone. They are all too heavy handed for my liking. I just go through each of the various functions of the plugin and address everything myself. It's really not that hard to use IMO. I haven't sent stuff off for mastering in ages. Almost all Downlink music you've heard is mastered by me myself. I think mastering can sound better but I'm not trying to write a pop anthem. I just want dance floor material that hits hard. I think most people with a few years of producing under their belt would often serve themselves well to do some self mastering and compare to "real" masters and see what they think. If you aren't confident in your mastering skills then send it off to be mastered.

When designing bass it can be layers of different massives but more often it is one sound bounced down, then maybe split into two layers on different audio tracks (using eq) and then each layer effected differently.

I can't really say what I'm most proud of creating as a sound or melody. I think don't think I'm really there yet, or maybe I'm just too critical on myself. I'm not overly musical in the traditional sense of the word, but I think once I force myself to embrace this side of myself more I will truly be proud of something epic.
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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by downlink » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:41 am

RandoRando wrote:whats your live setup consist of? ever consider moving to ableton like datsik has done? 8)
Live set up is three Pioneer CDJ-2000's and a Pioneer DJM-900 mixer. Also Serato SL-4 and macbookpro.

I've briefly considered switching to LIVE but I just can't bring myself to do it. I think mixing for over a decade (starting with vinyl and drum n bass) has gotten me so locked into that way of performing. I've played some shows with ableton in the past and once did a 3 way ableton set with Excision and Datsik opening for Tiesto in our home town, but I am not ready to switch over at this point. If I ever started producing full time in Ableton Live then I would give it more thought.
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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by downlink » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:42 am

Burgeamon wrote:Hey man - thanks so much for doing this!

Couple of questions.

Do you layer your basses much or are you tending to achieve a lot of your sounds with a single bass patch that you then process / resample a bunch.

I'm still at the stage where my basses are missing that midrange that pushes the sound almost through your headphones so am trying to figure out my mistakes.

Cheers man!
I tend to achieve most of my bass sounds with a single patch, but I do process the fuck out of it and then resample a lot of the time.

Keep at it man, you'll get there with time and dedication ;)
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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by downlink » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:44 am

Trainrek wrote:What's your favourite waveform/wavetable?
In Massive a few faves are Carbon, AI, Bronze, Scrap Yard
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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by downlink » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:47 am

legend4ry wrote:Without sounding like I am swinging towards you (which I am not, I appreciate a couple of your tracks).

Have you done Dubstep which isn't the kind of stuff you're known for? Your production skills seem impeccable; it would be nice to hear someone from you which was more towards my tastes.
I haven't forayed much into dubstep that I'm not known for but I think with an album pending, I will force myself to get "deep" on atleast one track. I love listening to the deeper darker stuff, and I feel an album would be a great time to express this side.
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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by downlink » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:51 am

bl0rg wrote:Sup Downlink! I'm from Canada and a huge fan of yours...

Could you go into some detain how you made the main bassline in Gamma Ray Burst? (effects chains + tips)

Its so heavy and crunchy!

thanks!

:corndance:

also how often do you resample your basslines?
I'm too lazy to go into great detail and I'd have to go downstairs on my other laptop and fire the project back up. Honestly it was just a bunch of different patches I made in Massive, and Sylenth. I sequenced them all cleverly and Voila!

Sorry man just too fuckin lazy to get right into it. That question just hit me and it felt like homework. Maybe its because I've been answering questions for the past hour here and its 3am. lol. I think I'm just gonna watch some Anime and pass the fuck out!

Peace out for now guys I'll try to get to a few more tomorrow but I can't guarantee anything. I really hope to get back on here and address a few more questions but I have a busy day tomorrow and I have to leave to play a show the next day. Maybe when I get back early next week I can get a few more in.

I'm not sure how long these Q and A's typically run for but I'm down to look this over again early next week and hit up a few more q's.

Take it ez guys. I hope you learned something :)
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Post by drdeft » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:38 am

and what about you Db peak ? ( the Decibels of your kick and bass ? :)

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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by mortiflux » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:11 pm

What was it like working with Korn? Was it hard to cope with the pressure of mixing for such a big name?

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Post by Sonika » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:38 pm

When are we gonna give poor downlink a break....
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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by hasezwei » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:45 pm

Sonika wrote:When are we gonna give poor downlink a break....
innit :lol:

i cant say i know a lot of your tracks but youve definetly been one of the few... robostep? (lol) producers i enjoyed, still listen to ghost from time to time. curious to hear what your take on the deeper, darker stuff would be like.

i dont really have any questions since youve already answered a ton and many were of the kind i wouldnt want to answer myself :lol:
but i'd be curious to hear some of what you call self-indulgent synth noodling :4:

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Post by stephan23 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:51 pm

I second l4gendary's and hasezwei's comment ... It would be a blessing to hear your take on the deeper, darker and minimal side to dubstep (dungeon stuff etc.) considering your production skills .. No question here, just wanted to big up your efforts! :Q:

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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by shinra » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:01 am

you've possibly touched on this already..
i'm not sure if they still do but dodge & fuski used to split a bass into 3, (original, similar but with a different wavetable, and then a hi passed version stereo spread). i've got some decent results with it but i'm lacking a fullness still.

what's your take on the technique?

peace and thanks, it's really awesome for someone ahead in the game to help out as much as this! :Q:

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Post by jetpack » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:35 am

shinra wrote:you've possibly touched on this already..
i'm not sure if they still do but dodge & fuski used to split a bass into 3, (original, similar but with a different wavetable, and then a hi passed version stereo spread). i've got some decent results with it but i'm lacking a fullness still.

what's your take on the technique?

peace and thanks, it's really awesome for someone ahead in the game to help out as much as this! :Q:
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Re: DSF Q&A 20: Downlink

Post by Rymphony » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:46 pm

downlink wrote:
Efrafa11 wrote:Big up for the Q&a!

What are your influences outside of dubstep?
and
Which of your tracks do you think gets the best audience response and why?

Again, massive respect for your time man.
Thanks man!

I've talked before about some of my influences so check those responses.

As for which of my tunes get the best response. Crippled Camel, Factory, Ignition, Gamma Ray, My collabs with Excision all seem to go the fuck off as well.

Its hard to say why people love certain tunes but dance floors definitely respond to those ones. Gamma cuz its classic I guess. Ignition cuz its hi energy, same with crippled camel. Factory cuz its well known and hi pitched noise make people feel hyped.

My favourite song I've ever written is Station Six and to be honest it doesn't really go off live that well, nor did it chart or sell well. Not sure if its just the flow of it or something but its really more of a techy in the headphones or car type of tune I think. I really want to capture the vibe of that tune again, even if its not a dance floor smash.
Haha nice! Station Six is in my opinion the best tune from you aswell. Really looking forward to see some Liquid Stranger or Ajapai collabs :)


By the way, can you give any info about the tune that drops at 3:23?



Really sounds like a tune by you

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