Do you use just one 808 patch for the sub bass or several?

[ArrenMog]

In all my productions so far i've been using just a single 808 kick style sub bass throughout my entire tune though recently i've found it a bit restrictive.

when i'm making a mid range with an lfo on a low cut filter i find that the sub bass doesnt really fit together with the mid range "wobble" very well, should i be using a a different sub bass, one with an lfo attached to maybe the amplitude to make it match the mid range better? i just want some opinions from some producers with more experiance than me on what they would do?

i've also heard of like plugins that can split the frequencies of a sound, could i use them to get a general kind of patch from my synth then split the sound to make a sound for the sub, mid low and mid rang sounds? would that be recommended or is that not good?

Cheers!

[wub]

Depends if the mid range or the sub is going to be the driving force within the tune. Philosophically speaking I'd construct the tune around the most important elements. If the sub bass is going to be the prominent one, I'd adjust the elements to fit around it. That being said, if the mid range was what you wanted the tune to be remembered for, I'd suggest subtractively adjusting elements around it.

[__________]

Don't feel tied to an 808 kick. People go on about it being a shortcut to a phat bazzline but you can use anything. Keep changing samples til you get the sound you're after. I only really use 808 kicks for one particular bass sound. Most of my basslines come from pitched-down congas, bongos, cowbells, etc. Go wild. Try low passing the 808 and adding something else over the top for a different sound.

[ArrenMog]

Don't feel tied to an 808 kick. People go on about it being a shortcut to a phat bazzline but you can use anything. Keep changing samples til you get the sound you're after. I only really use 808 kicks for one particular bass sound. Most of my basslines come from pitched-down congas, bongos, cowbells, etc. Go wild. Try low passing the 808 and adding something else over the top for a different sound.

you say your using cowbells and congas etc for basslines, i'm amusing you mean the kind of midrange, like above 100hz? i couldnt imagine it making a very good sub, though it has given me a few ideas.

would you then combine these pitched down congas etc with an 808 sub?

my main question is should i really spend time on shaping the sub or just keep it basic, and if i was using a wobble should i make the sub fit around that or just keep it simple?

[deadly_habit]

lately personally i've been using phocasyn over my goldbaby tape 808 shit cause i can tweak it like a real 808

[wormcode]

lately personally i've been using phocasyn over my goldbaby tape 808 shit cause i can tweak it like a real 808

What';s that then? Nepheton from d16? Phocasyn sounds like Phoscyon+Nepheton lol.

Anyway I have so many 808 bass samples, and really no 2 are alike so I switch between those. Other than that, the synthesis generator in Sound Forge is my go to (the free Audacity has one too).

[Brian Oblivion]

I make an 808 type sub in a synth, usually massive as its piss easy to control. I sometimes have 2, one that hits like an 808 and one that starts and ends like an 808 but can be held to produce a long sustained sub.

People talk about putting a volume lfo on the sub, it can be done, Ive done it, sort of works sometimes. When you make a lp filter lfo bassline, the sub end doesnt wobble, the filter doesnt go down that far usually, so the real sub of those sounds is a sustained note, it doesnt fluctuate, so dont feel a need to replace it with a sub that does if you dont want to. Its not the 'normal' thing to do, for whatever that is worth.

If you want to split the sub off the mid range and use that as 'the' sub, you can do that, just pipe it to another channel and use a low pass filter to get rid of everything else, as far as I know thats what a dedicated splitter would do.

[deadly_habit]

lately personally i've been using phocasyn over my goldbaby tape 808 shit cause i can tweak it like a real 808

What';s that then? Nepheton from d16? Phocasyn sounds like Phoscyon+Nepheton lol.

Anyway I have so many 808 bass samples, and really no 2 are alike so I switch between those. Other than that, the synthesis generator in Sound Forge is my go to (the free Audacity has one too).

yep

[Artie_Fufkin]

You could use a synth's envelopes to have more control than a single 808 sample. Or use multiple samples. Whatever setup that you know how to use to get the right sounds. It's as simple as amplitude and frequency for one sine wave. After that, you can add in harmonics or split it off to a send track and create your other sounds based off of the movement of the sub.

[Today]

ya i put a different pitch or filtered of 808 on a couple pads and use a choke group so they don't overlap when i play the bass line

[Electric_Head]

I either use a Goldbaby 808 or TS808 vst.
The ts808 is a pretty sick 808 emulation.

[ArrenMog]

I make an 808 type sub in a synth, usually massive as its piss easy to control. I sometimes have 2, one that hits like an 808 and one that starts and ends like an 808 but can be held to produce a long sustained sub.

People talk about putting a volume lfo on the sub, it can be done, Ive done it, sort of works sometimes. When you make a lp filter lfo bassline, the sub end doesnt wobble, the filter doesnt go down that far usually, so the real sub of those sounds is a sustained note, it doesnt fluctuate, so dont feel a need to replace it with a sub that does if you dont want to. Its not the 'normal' thing to do, for whatever that is worth.

If you want to split the sub off the mid range and use that as 'the' sub, you can do that, just pipe it to another channel and use a low pass filter to get rid of everything else, as far as I know thats what a dedicated splitter would do.

Cheers for this this pretty much explained what i needed to know, just one thing though when cut the low end out of a low pass frequency lfo to make sure that it doesnt clash with the sub, it end up feeling really weak and thin, maybe i'm just cutting off too much low end, i'll go experiment.

[Dr_Driller]

sin wav, pitch -36, filter 20 hz / 300 hz = sub for synth

sin wav, pitch -36, filter 50 hz / 200 hz, short decay = sub for kick

my main question is should i really spend time on shaping the sub or just keep it basic, and if i was using a wobble should i make the sub fit around that or just keep it simple?

i don't shape, the sub has low volume it's just there to make the synth and kick louder, i don't make it following the wooble

[Today]

i make mine follow the wooble

[Perej]

Anyone find that the gold baby 808 kicks don't sound anything like they do in the previews on their website, like, at all....?

Mine sound flat as fuck in any DAW, so I'm presuming they have been processed heavily before they put them on for people to listen to.

[Today]

tough call, i always thought they were good samples but i got a different 808 909 pack and i forget where, but it's really great.
tons of variations on every sound, lots of kicks and 3 levels of real tape saturation

people swear by goldbaby

[Electric_Head]

My goldbaby 808 are certainly not flat.

[Brian Oblivion]

I make an 808 type sub in a synth, usually massive as its piss easy to control. I sometimes have 2, one that hits like an 808 and one that starts and ends like an 808 but can be held to produce a long sustained sub.

People talk about putting a volume lfo on the sub, it can be done, Ive done it, sort of works sometimes. When you make a lp filter lfo bassline, the sub end doesnt wobble, the filter doesnt go down that far usually, so the real sub of those sounds is a sustained note, it doesnt fluctuate, so dont feel a need to replace it with a sub that does if you dont want to. Its not the 'normal' thing to do, for whatever that is worth.

If you want to split the sub off the mid range and use that as 'the' sub, you can do that, just pipe it to another channel and use a low pass filter to get rid of everything else, as far as I know thats what a dedicated splitter would do.

Cheers for this this pretty much explained what i needed to know, just one thing though when cut the low end out of a low pass frequency lfo to make sure that it doesnt clash with the sub, it end up feeling really weak and thin, maybe i'm just cutting off too much low end, i'll go experiment.

cutting too much out of the bottom will def thin your bass out. I just cut off the fundamental, its usually down around 40 to 50 hz so Ill put maybe 3 or 4 hp filters somewhere between 60 and 80hz, tune the kicks and snares between the harmonic spikes off the bass on an freq analyser or just do little narrow q cuts where they peak. I read about people high passing their mid bass at up to 250hz, whatever works works I guess but i do wonder what their tunes sound like because for my tastes theyre cutting off the best bit.

[Today]

i love the sound of LFO-> amplitude on subs and on mid basses