Beginners

[Artie_Fufkin]

To the OP:
[Read the stickies and then] run very far away from dsf and never look back. read sound on sound articles and experiment with the things you've learned. Educate yourself and experiment until you know how and why things work the way they do. And watch youtube tutorials that explain how things work, not just moving knobs to make a synth patch. If you or the person doing the tutorial can't explain what everything in your effects chain does to the sound, move on and educate yourself. Use google. Use google. Use. Google.

To the rest of you:
Shame on you for derailing this thing.
But wouldn't it be funny if skream called out sonika like phaeleh just did? heheh

[Sonika]

Wait Artie fufkin what? Phaeleh didn't call me out?

[Artie_Fufkin]

like phaeleh just did **for bassbum.
Phaeleh->bassbum
Skream-> sonika

[dickman69]

If I did that Id have to accept NSync

ive accepted nsync

[Hircine]

still waiting for bassbum's track.

[eldoogle]

Man I hate that Cracks remix, however Cold In You is one of my favorite songs of the last year. Music taste is all different, accept it guisssse.

[Sharmaji]

haha nice to see Phaeleh back here!

The pheleleh tune I have never heard before and I did like it but its very simple and I could quickly recreate it. The are no harmonys and very few overdubs in the vocals. Having random drums come in with a delay and reverb on them is not complex to me. Burial I do rate as on a different level musically and was bit complex.

I feel like your saying that creating a deep vibe is harder than creating a hype vibe. Also the your calling this music deep but its more depressing than deep, not to say its not deep because it is. I know alot of people that would say that trance is deep.

equating complexity with quality is the classic young musician misstep.

now don't get me wrong, it's nearly impossible to avoid-- go to any guitar center around noon on a Saturday and you will hear untold numbers of crimes being committed against music. Basically, playing lots of notes fast, or creating crazy sounds, are far easier things to do than to write a really incredible song. There's less intangibles, and the yardsticks of accomplishment are clearer. "I can play anything by rush/dream theater/etc" and "I can make the super-modulated bass of a noisia tune" are finite things that a student can accomplish--and are necessary tasks to accomplish. Regardless of genre, writing a song that people identify with, that isn't based on re-creating someone else's work, is a different thing entirely.


on the producer side,it's the same thing.... a bit saddened that, try as we may have back in the early days of DSF, dubstep is doomed to repeat all the same missteps as d&b-- including the arguments of "this really well-produced, hyper-sound-designed tune is better than this simple tune that's just bass, drums, and melody"...

lather, rinse, repeat, etc.

[paradigm_x]

on the producer side,it's the same thing.... a bit saddened that, try as we may have back in the early days of DSF, dubstep is doomed to repeat all the same missteps as d&b-- including the arguments of "this really well-produced, hyper-sound-designed tune is better than this simple tune that's just bass, drums, and melody"...

lather, rinse, repeat, etc.

thats what i thought about that ' i use limiters on every channel' tune/thread. It sounded awful imho. like a text book production course example tune rather than 'music'.

sure it has that modern loud sound but its the classic computer faux par IMO that you try to get every single thing 'produced' to perfection and remove every last element of vibe or 'human-ness' for the sake of flexing production skills. dnb went either like that, or break chopping to the nth degree that got immensely tiresome.

Its all over here and DOA and i think youve smacked it why; its demonstrable that you can sidechain/frequency split/limit every last channel to hell and back, but 99.8% of the tunes like that sound like shit. and are interchangeable.

thats why i think a box like a korg emx or whatever is a much better starting point than a daw and every waves plugin known to humanity...

[SKIN E]

on the producer side,it's the same thing.... a bit saddened that, try as we may have back in the early days of DSF, dubstep is doomed to repeat all the same missteps as d&b-- including the arguments of "this really well-produced, hyper-sound-designed tune is better than this simple tune that's just bass, drums, and melody"...

lather, rinse, repeat, etc.

thats what i thought about that ' i use limiters on every channel' tune/thread. It sounded awful imho. like a text book production course example tune rather than 'music'.

Nicely said Sharmaji, and I dont really understand the limiters, I dont think I have ever used one before unless a synth/sample I really desperately wanne use has massive weird spikes or something... its mainly easier to put a channels volume down

[Sonika]

on the producer side,it's the same thing.... a bit saddened that, try as we may have back in the early days of DSF, dubstep is doomed to repeat all the same missteps as d&b-- including the arguments of "this really well-produced, hyper-sound-designed tune is better than this simple tune that's just bass, drums, and melody"...

lather, rinse, repeat, etc.

thats what i thought about that ' i use limiters on every channel' tune/thread. It sounded awful imho. like a text book production course example tune rather than 'music'.

Nicely said Sharmaji, and I dont really understand the limiters, I dont think I have ever used one before unless a synth/sample I really desperately wanne use has massive weird spikes or something... its mainly easier to put a channels volume down

Agree, agree, agree

All 3 points made above are

[Sharmaji]

^ tbh i have no problem using limiters like crazy, especially in mixes for clients. To me that's just using the tools available to manage dynamics. certainly a lot easier than printing every track through my distressor

what bums me out is the enduring, sophomoric beliefs that sound design is more important that the song as a whole, and that complex= better and simple= weak. And generally, once someone believes that, they're so entirely in a forest-for-the-trees moment, it's gonna take a LONG time for them to see the bigger picture.

[tripwire22]

^ tbh i have no problem using limiters like crazy, especially in mixes for clients. To me that's just using the tools available to manage dynamics. certainly a lot easier than printing every track through my distressor

what bums me out is the enduring, sophomoric beliefs that sound design is more important that the song as a whole, and that complex= better and simple= weak. And generally, once someone believes that, they're so entirely in a forest-for-the-trees moment, it's gonna take a LONG time for them to see the bigger picture.

This. I've had a few arguments the last few days all dealing with how people making tribal/deeper dubstep are wasting there time because its not as technical as a UKF song resulting in something that somehow isn't a song. People just blow me all the time lol.

[paradigm_x]

^ tbh i have no problem using limiters like crazy, especially in mixes for clients. To me that's just using the tools available to manage dynamics. certainly a lot easier than printing every track through my distressor

Well since youre not using that distressor...

Its funny, been comparing the latest mixes i did with the full set of uads, with at least some compression on most channels ( but still not limiters on each channel by default), as opposed to the live stuff which is some cheap stuff thru a cheap mixer with no compression at all, anywhere, just with cheap effects sends, rammed into stereo on a very cheap hard drive recorder, and it definitely sounds a lot better. in terms of the indefinable 'vibes/character'. Not a loud/clean, whatever, but then we paid macc to master it and sounds every bit as good (prob better).

im old enough and ugly enough to not care what people write on message boards but it must be a nightmare with people saying you can get decent results without side-chaining every channel, frequency splitting everything, compressing everything to high heaven. i remember what all hardware was like and you didnt have 15 limiters, and enough channels to split everything. Someone was moaning on GS about ableton only having 12 (!) aux sends and being severely limited, and it made me think jeez if you cant write a tune with only 12 aux sends theres a bit of a problem.

[paradigm_x]

and anyway, if you're composing completely in the box, there's no excuse for limiting everything for managing dynamics, YOU are making the sound sources anyway so shoudl be able to control the dynamics!! unless you're using live recording then there's no need.