Thoughts on Vegetarians/vegans

[nowaysj]

If we didn't eat them, they'd all be dead.

[Genevieve]

I have accepted that we kill animals to eat. I see animals and humans on a completely different playing field. What I hate most though are meat eaters who say it's wrong for the vietnamese to eat dogs or the japenese to eat dolphins. It's the exact same as eating a pig or a cow. If you are happy to eat pigs, cows, sheep and chickens you should never draw a line under eating any other animal on this planet. It's only morally fair.

I dont think it is the same, people dont live with cows and sheep in their houses and bond with them emotionally. I don't care what people in other countries get up to but the thought of having to eat cat myself would make me sick

That's because you don't live there. If you'd grown up in Vietnam it would've been different. I don't mind other people eating cats, but I wouldn't do it myself because I grew up in an environment where cats are the polar opposite of food.

[magma]

Everyone should have a go at hunting/butchery at some point as well... people should be aware of where their meat comes from; it's a little concerning that so many people go their entire lives without seeing a live chicken... it's no wonder we're confused.

Yeah that's what I was saying. I got thinking about it after one my housemates at uni started freaking out when I was talking about my mate killing a chicken (to eat, nothing weird going on or anything) despite the fact she'd just eaten chicken for dinner. I mean come on if you're so horrified at the thought of a chicken dying stop eating it for fuck's sake.

I've only done it a few times, but tbh, it made me enjoy my meal a lot more. The best ever was a rabbit caught whilst camping... caught, killed, skinned and cooked on a fire by me and a couple of friends. Possibly the most satisfying meal EVER.

A friend at school's Dad ran the local dairy farm; most of his animals were raised for milk, but he used to to a sideline in turkeys for Christmas. December was an interesting time to visit...

My old best mate raises pigs now. He's absolutely fallen in love with the little blighters (they are great when they're not trying to eat your shoe), but you should see his son's face when he talks about them... he thought they were prrrrrretty good when they arrived, but when he found out that they were where pork came from he thought they were the BEST THING IN THE WORLD. My brother once taught my 3 year old nephew that the pretty Deer in the woods were where Venison came from, he spent the next hour chasing them rubbing his tummy.

We're all animals. It's cool.

[wolf89]

Awww man I want some venison now

[BLAHBLAHJAH]

Having such a diverse/abundance of dietary choices is quite a humbling prospect - maybe one that's taken for granted. Respect it by not being tards and arguing... Eat what thoust will

[fassyman]

lol this topic never ends well

tbh though its easy as fuck to be a vegetarian in this day and age, especially living in the west. The evolutionary agrument holds no relevence anymore, we passed the point were we needed to eat meat to survive a long time ago.

its a simple decision based on your own personal morrals,

i would never want another person to suffer as a result of my choices
and its exactly the same for animals

[faultier]

it's not that i'm indifferent to the feelings of animals, but if i started caring about these, i should also probably start caring about the feelings of the people that are manufacturing pretty much everything we consume in some third world factories with terrible working conditions...

double standards galore in this thread imo...

[gwa]

so how many of you have cried over a pet dying? or at least felt sad about?

[fassyman]

it's not that i'm indifferent to the feelings of animals, but if i started caring about these, i should also probably start caring about the feelings of the people that are manufacturing pretty much everything we consume in some third world factories with terrible working conditions...

double standards galore in this thread imo...

errm yeah, you should care.

[Terpit]

so how many of you have cried over a pet dying? or at least felt sad about?

Before or after i bbqd it?

[wolf89]

so how many of you have cried over a pet dying? or at least felt sad about?

Yeah I feel sad when pets have died because they were an animal that was cool and I lived with

Difference is I don't give a fuck about some random Cow/chicken/deer/kangaroo/goat/sheep/pig/pheasent/rabbit that I've ate.

[BLAHBLAHJAH]

^ FU turdpit with those waste comments.

FWIW I once wept when my 6 year old peyote died. Luckily I sprang to action and made its fresh corpse into a 3 day hallucinogenic soup

[Terpit]

[topmo3]

is this for real? i'm the only vegetarian here? ok

makes me sad how some of you guys feel like bout animals / nature.. i used to appreciate a lot of people who post on the forum but reading this changed my mind

[capo ultra]

this thread is making me hungry

[Terpit]

is this for real? i'm the only vegetarian here? ok

Im not entirely sure but i think gwa might be a vegetarian

[magma]

Essentially it's a personal moral choice... debates like this are never going to come to a "right" answer, because the correct answer changes from person to person. My housemate and I disagree on it all the time, but we've just given up... eating meat makes him feel icky, it makes me feel satisfied... whether there's an empirical truth to the decision is moot... he's happy, I'm happy and we're both happy to have something we can take the piss out of each other about.

so how many of you have cried over a pet dying? or at least felt sad about?

You can form an emotional bond with almost anything. I cried when I sent my first car to be scrapped after it got written off... does that mean I should protest outside scrap yards against their abuse of automobiles? I felt pretty sniffly when I had to pull a weed plant last year because the landlord was coming round.

More likely it means that humans naturally develop emotional bonds with things that they either need to take care of (my car, a pet, children) or that they need to rely on (my car, pets, parents). If you feel a debt of care to something, you feel shame and sadness when it gets hurt.... if you rely on something, you feel lost and vulnerable when it disappears.

If we're going to farm animals, we should take care of them as best we can whilst they're in our care and we should feel a duty of care until the animal comes out of the abatoir... farming needn't be institutionalised torture. It's the living conditions that are likely to concern/upset me, not the death aspect. Everything dies.

[capo ultra]

who gave us the right to take the animals life?

Illogical. It sounds like you are implying that there is some outside entity. Who is this entity you speak of that gives and takes rights away? Which God are you implying has this right to give us rights? If you are talking about the classical Christian God then God gives the right, he implicitly states that meat is for human consumption.

I personally do not believe in an outside entity that can give and take rights away. I believe we are all our own God, we give ourself the right to do whatever we feel is right and necessary. So in answer to your question, me. I give myself the right to eat meat.

[BLAHBLAHJAH]

It's dump though when dietary choice takes precedent over values - as if these values come from practicing the diet rather than the other way around. It adopts this exclusivity in life that people cling to, that you must be of a certain faction to "properly" value the values U get me? To chuck more crooked thinking in there, the amount of veggies that can't even tolerate a spider sharing their house without crushing it... It kind of forgets about being about life and latches onto some hateful mindset towards other humans and their attitudes etc.. Like for real bluds... Disdain is expressed mainly by ordering a margheritta. Take that society

tldr one does not treasure lyfe simply by not eating it

[capo ultra]

I personally couldn't justify killing an insect just because I am scared of it. This is something that has occurred within over time.