Anyone else getting sick of jobs being outsourced?

[garethom]

Since i've finished uni ive been to maybe 10? job interviews, not a single one of them even mentioned my degree. I might as well have put that ive got a 1st from Oxford on my cv..

I don't think I had any academic qualifications on my last CV; it says I went to 6th Form, but doesn't mention subjects or grades or anything. IT jobs, especially on the support side of things, are all about experience... my CV is basically a big list of the technologies I've worked with and for how long.

BUT there are quite a few employers out there that won't even interview you unless you have a degree, especially for permanent roles in Finance and the upper end of Retail - I've always thought it was a bit silly and, actually, a few of them have ignored it and interviewed/hired me anyway, but it's worth keeping in mind. It's another reason why I'm happier contracting than looking to go permie at the moment, tbh.

Thinking of going contracting at the moment, just finished an exam today that hopefully will get me as qualified as I can be. Don't really want to move around at the moment, but there's quite a lot in the midlands, and £400-500 a day can't be sniffed at really!

[herbs]

they wanted to outsource my dpt, but realised it would take too long to train Indians/cost too much money/be too much of a risk.

TAKE THAT YOU CORPORATE PUSSIES!

[ch3]

They outsourced part of the metal furniture factory in Lahti, where my ex used to work. Finland is quite known for good design and quality products and the loads they received from Chine were not up to the standard. He would end up fixing pretty much every single item, which sometimes took more time than making it from the scratch. Needless to say, place doesn't exist anymore.

[mo_respect]

Whoever recommended hacking is actually somewhat right. See if your school offers malware/security classes in the CS major, and that will give you a better shot an IT job. Although (here anyways) you have to sign a waiver saying you won't use the knowledge for hacking lol

[deadly_habit]

IT it's always better to work as a contractor, unless you can nail a solid steady gig at a reputable company (even if that means moving abroad). Programming it varies what field you're working in and how competitive it is.

[nowaysj]

There's more IT jobs out there than ever.

Here in the Silicon Valley the giants are shipping in boatloads of Chinese and Indians and paying them $150,000 annually + stock, and up (up, up), to fill positions that "cannot" be filled by Americans.

[idontreallygiveashit]

^ What sort of positions are they going into?

the "shipping in boatloads" bit has thrown me, sounds like they treat/ you see these people like cheap unimportant bulk drone workers

[nowaysj]

sounds like cheap unimportant bulk factory workers

Suppose they are, in the grand scheme of things.

These are people all over the it spectrum. Hard and soft engineers, devs. All that shit, tough guy.

[mks]

+1 on the Cisco stuff...if you have a CCNA/CCNP you'll never be out of work.

I'm currently studying for my CCNA. Then the CCNP.

About the hacking thing, it actually is creating a huge market for information security which I am also studying right now. I just did a cyber wargames exercise on Wednesday and I am competing in the first round of the National Cyber League tomorrow, a cyber defense tournament.

[garethom]

my cyber defense is punching all known nerds with access to computers

[wub]

+1 on the Cisco stuff...if you have a CCNA/CCNP you'll never be out of work.

I'm currently studying for my CCNA. Then the CCNP.

About the hacking thing, it actually is creating a huge market for information security which I am also studying right now. I just did a cyber wargames exercise on Wednesday and I am competing in the first round of the National Cyber League tomorrow, a cyber defense tournament.

Mate that is fucking MINT, respect

Studying for the CCNA nearly ruined me, the campus had shared virtual machines...was proper shit.

CCNE if you get there means job offers from the moment Cisco register your qualification

[Jhonny2x4]

I was originally studying for the CCNA (and planning for CCNP) but shortly dropped the idea because i thought computer science would be the better descision. I guess i made a mistake :/

Will CIS go well with a CCNP cert?

[fractal]

There's more IT jobs out there than ever.

Here in the Silicon Valley the giants are shipping in boatloads of Chinese and Indians and paying them $150,000 annually + stock, and up (up, up), to fill positions that "cannot" be filled by Americans.

same up here in seattle/bellevue. good for them, they went to school while americans say "yolo"

[AxeD]

Imma steal all your jobs.

[fractal]

not mine, i've been schooling it for too long!

[nowaysj]

they went to school while americans say "yolo"

Don't know if this is entirely true. As I'm sure you know, part of the visa process is establishing that there are no other indigenous (lol) people qualified for the position. From what I understand, this process is highly rigged and manipulated. The level of bribery and corruption in the industry now... Personally have seen a manilla envelope filled beyond its capacity with cold hard cash. That is a lot of money, bro.

[kay]

If you're good at programming you'll find a job no problem. There are a stupid number off pprogramming jobs around and most pay a lot better than other roles at comparable experience levels.

[fractal]

^that's where I am at. currently trying to either get into Oracle, Google or Microsoft over here. Most of those big companies won't even look at a resume unless you at least have a bachelors.

[deadly_habit]

They also want good programmers, not just low grade fresh grads with CS degrees who just started coding when they entered their degree program.
Where wants Cisco certified guys? I need to renew, but all my certs and experience didn't do me much good even getting in doors a few years back.
On the flip side I almost got recruited by one of the local Microsoft guys when my dad's friend who lived across from him brought me up as a teen and introduced me to him.
He was expecting a college age kid and instead got a 14 year old with a mohawk at the time who had taught himself a bunch and I primarily impressed him that I focused on ASM at the time.
The guy tossed me a whole bunch of programming books even got me into a couple cert programs on the cheap at the time.
The best way to get noticed as a programmer is to actually make something, like an artist that helps serve as your portfolio.
A lot of the coding jobs going overseas are for the equivalent of assembly line worker style coders. The ones that take skill have always been a competitive market.
Even going back for my degree now at 30 (don't need it, but makes getting your foot in the door a hell of a lot easier), I see a lot of kids who just are taking CS for a degree, know nothing but Java (with no real interest in programming or languages outside of the curriculum), and think they'll have a job waiting for them. It's pretty damn sad.

[Jhonny2x4]

Soooo many props for referencing Golden Boy.



Also, I see what your talking about. I've witnessed so many unenthused students in my computer class who have majored in CS do bare minimum, barely participate, and are hardly awake. Boils my blood a little tbh.

You would figure people major in a subject they are passionate about...