What makes Massive Stereo when its not stereo?

[Sliverdub]

I know it sounds like a bizarre question..... I know that you can make a sound stereo in massive and alter its width etc with the pan position and adding stereo effects like dimension expander and delay etc but some times a sound can become unbalanced, sometimes even very unbalanced the more complicated the patch gets.

Its something that cannot be corrected with my pan in my daw as the actual sound is different in both channels not simply uneven volume wise. Not so different that I think its a problem with massive but enough to make it well...stereo even when I don't want it to be as stereo lol.

Heres what I've done so far, the voice section panning is turned off, no effects are on and pan position is centred.

What else can I do ? Anyone had this ?

Thanks

[mthrfnk]

Click monophon in the voicing tab?

[Sliverdub]

Na that doesn't do it, monophonic refers to how the synth plays doesn't it like whether it behaves like a monophonic synth rather than a polysynth, but I did try it tho thanks man.

[mthrfnk]

Surely if you have unisono as 1 and monophon clicked it should technically be mono?

[Sliverdub]

Surely if you have unisono as 1 and monophon clicked it should technically be mono?

Yeah thats one thing I can't have for this patch or others I've found it with, I should have mentioned using more than 1 voice but I've tried it with even numbers etc and it still sounds wonky...

[FAARE FACED]

If you're using Live, put a "Utility mono", and then, splitfreq using a multiband dynamic instrument rack and stereo dat shit as you like.

[mthrfnk]

Surely if you have unisono as 1 and monophon clicked it should technically be mono?

Yeah thats one thing I can't have for this patch or others I've found it with, I should have mentioned using more than 1 voice but I've tried it with even numbers etc and it still sounds wonky...

Screen shot Massive. Since you said there are no FX and you haven't messed with the voicing then idk what it could be without seeing the patch.

Or like Faarce Faced said, mono it in your DAW either natively, by using a stereo tool or by just slapping a plugin that works in mono on (obviously without using the FX).

[glottis5]

Surely if you have unisono as 1 and monophon clicked it should technically be mono?

monophonic refers to the number of notes that can be played at once, not the stereo field

[mthrfnk]

Surely if you have unisono as 1 and monophon clicked it should technically be mono?

monophonic refers to the number of notes that can be played at once, not the stereo field

I know but if he has unisono on 1, monophon clicked, no effects and the pan settings centered the patch should be in mono. Hence why I asked for a screen shot.

[Huts]

What DAW are you using. In Logic you can just load massive as mono or stereo or click the double rings at the bottom of the mixer channel and make it mono

[Turnipish_Thoughts]

Blind leading the blind a little bit in the thread Monophonic refers to voicing capabilities, it has nothing to do with panorama.

Many things can add stereo width to your patch, basically anything that causes different information to go to each channel. If the sound waves coming from each speaker are not perfectly in sync the waves will add/subtract at your reference point and you'll get phasing/cancelation e.t.c. and you'll also experience width as the information reaching you will be at different times. So it boils down to you going through your signal chain and finding where some emphasis is being applied to one channel slightly more than the other.

As others have mentioned using a plugin that collapses the signal into mono will solve your problem, though it's always better to figure out where it's coming from and why it's happening. Without someone who knows massive well checking out the patch it'll probably be down to trial and error.

[Kit Fysto]

As someone mentioned, if you use Ableton, use the utility plug in. WIll fix that problem for you in 2 clicks =) If not, I would imagine other DAW's have similar solutions

[Sliverdub]

Thanks a lot guys, I've listened to what you guys have said and have found the problem and used the idea of monoing the signal and adding fake stereo width with a plugin to cure it.

The problem is the Phase control, it seems when you pull an osc out of phase it does something to the stereo field. It isn't always noticeable more often than not you can't tell but it seems more prevalent when restarting the oscillators and using phase.