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by cloquet » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:54 pm
If you thought GEMA weren't bad enough...
http://www.factmag.com/2012/11/30/gema- ... e-to-sets/
It now appears that GEMA are attempting to knuckle down even harder on club performances. So far this has only – to our knowledge – been reported on German language websites, but at the heart of these newly proposed set of changes is a tax (or “laptop surcharge”) on DJs playing music from laptops, to the tune of 30% for every music file under five minutes with an increase of 20% for each additional minute. What we’re unsure about is whether this only refers to files that are played, or all music on the offending laptop – we’d presume the former, but the post on Tanith implies the latter (“e.g. 10,000 mp3s on the DJ laptop would [require] 1,300 Euros”).
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by Forum » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:59 pm
I dont understand this, what are these royalties being collected for?
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by kidshuffle » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:05 pm
I'm sure the major music industry players just get the money. Similar taxes are put on mp3/dvd/blu-ray players here, and the money just goes to the CRTC (radio), Music Canada (the big 4 labels), and whoever is in charge of movies. In turn though, this is also what has kept file sharing somewhat legal here...
The tax in this story might be trying to do something similar, but in a far more ridiculous way.
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by Basstronomer » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:08 pm
What about free downloads, would you still have to pay to play those ones?
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by kidshuffle » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:11 pm
It looks like it applies to any file
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by Forum » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:15 pm
What if you're only playing tunes from independant labels?
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by garethom » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:25 pm
southstar wrote:What if you're only playing tunes from independant labels?
then fuk u basically
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by kidshuffle » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:32 pm
Looks like GEMA represents 65000 different groups/artists/etc, so I'm sure it doesn't matter if the tunes are from independent labels as there are probably some who are getting royalties. The royalty distribution seems to be decided once a year, all determined by their 3500 full members...

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by Basstronomer » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:38 pm
From GEMA's wiki page:
"Music videos for major label artists on YouTube, as well as many videos containing background music, have been unavailable in Germany since the end of March 2009 after the previous agreement had expired and negotiations for a new license agreement were stopped. According to Google, GEMA sought to raise its fee charged to YouTube to a "prohibitive" 12 euro cents per streamed video"
They're going hard on this

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by hugh » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:40 pm
man these guys are so desperate to cling onto the past.
LET IT GO YOU FUCKING DONKEYS
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by nowaysj » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:44 pm
Honestly calls for a years boycott of any form of music in Germany. Just shut it all down.
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by syrup » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:56 pm
So if you play wavs you're safe?
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by Basstronomer » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:59 pm
johney wrote:So if you play wavs you're safe?
It says 'every music file' in the article

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by volcanogeorge » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:07 pm
so if you're like disclosure or something and pretty much only play your own tunes, you're getting taxed for creating music?
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by AxeD » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:10 pm
Didn't I already pay tax/royalties when I bought those 10.000 tunes?
I spend over 14.000 euros on those goddamn fucking tunes.
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by kidshuffle » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:15 pm
volcanogeorge wrote:so if you're like disclosure or something and pretty much only play your own tunes, you're getting taxed for creating music?
GEMA also covers live performances, so yes, that is the case. It has nothing to do with the music being played, but rather the fact that music is being played. Cocks, the lot of them.
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by Terpit » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:19 pm
Germany's gonna have a lot more vinyl DJs playing out then
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by volcanogeorge » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:47 pm
kidshuffle wrote:volcanogeorge wrote:so if you're like disclosure or something and pretty much only play your own tunes, you're getting taxed for creating music?
GEMA also covers live performances, so yes, that is the case. It has nothing to do with the music being played, but rather the fact that music is being played. Cocks, the lot of them.
thats mental
you've got to pay royalties to play your own tracks out
need more free parties IMO
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by garethom » Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:52 pm
Terpit wrote:Germany's gonna have a lot more vinyl DJs playing out then
This. Dubplates and white labels all round.
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by incnic » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:15 pm
but what are they going to do? get you? fine you? it wont be enforced jsut a PR exercise
i fuckign smack them in teh face the stnuc this is a msuic not a young tory convention
now i knwo why youtube is so fuckign annoyign to use when in germany tho

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