Post your unpopular opinions.

[LACE]

So when you have a right to the product of someone's labour what's that called again?
Slavery?

These doctors work hard for years and years and spend thousands of their own money to gain the necessary qualifications to enable themselves to help their fellow human and to make a living doing so.

The pharmaceutical companies spend millions on research for the labour, equipment and materials to make these innovations possible so they can cure or help limit the effects of a specific disease.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO ANY OF THESE THINGS.
How is that such a hard concept to grasp?

Socialist idiots.

totally socialist yes.
but even here, aspiring doctors don't need to spend thousands of their own money to gain those qualifications because university is also affordable. and how is it slavery when they're earning their wage?

[domhunt]

Right let's take government out of it completely.
I'll make it real simple for all you.

The NHS doesn't exist.
Private companies run the medical industry.
You come in with a boo boo and you want it fixing.
You think you have a right to the doctor's services.
The doctor fixes your boo boo.
The doctor wants money for their time and effort.
You refuse to pay because you think you're entitled to it for nothing.

Pro tip: That's stealing.

The NHS only exists because the government FORCES (steals) the wealth off the taxpayer to fund it in the first place.

In a society before socialised healthcare doctors and charitable organisations would help you out pro bono.
:B Geddit?

[Forum]

Decent effort but not quite subtle enough

[wub]

The NHS only exists because the government FORCES (steals) the wealth off the taxpayer to fund it in the first place.

I hope you need an organ transplant one day.

[dickman69]

isnt the waiting list for those things much longer in social healthcare countries?

[domhunt]

isnt the waiting list for those things much longer in social healthcare countries?

[wub]

Not really.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

isnt the waiting list for those things much longer in social healthcare countries?

years

[Forum]

The demand for organs is higher than the supply = waiting lists.

Nothing to do with socialism

[LACE]

Right let's take government out of it completely.
I'll make it real simple for all you.

The NHS doesn't exist.
Private companies run the medical industry.
You come in with a boo boo and you want it fixing.
You think you have a right to the doctor's services.
The doctor fixes your boo boo.
The doctor wants money for their time and effort.
You refuse to pay because you think you're entitled to it for nothing.

Pro tip: That's stealing.

The NHS only exists because the government FORCES (steals) the wealth off the taxpayer to fund it in the first place.

In a society before socialised healthcare doctors and charitable organisations would help you out pro bono.
:B Geddit?

it is stealing in your made up, hypothetical situation. but the real world doesn't work that way because the healthcare system is already in place. though proponents against 'the right to healthcare' can still be for the 'right to affordable health insurance' under a privatized system (which is what the US is trying to go for) yes?

[magma]

Right let's take government out of it completely.
I'll make it real simple for all you.

The NHS doesn't exist.
Private companies run the medical industry.
You come in with a boo boo and you want it fixing.
You think you have a right to the doctor's services.
The doctor fixes your boo boo.
The doctor wants money for their time and effort.
You refuse to pay because you think you're entitled to it for nothing.

Pro tip: That's stealing.

The NHS only exists because the government FORCES (steals) the wealth off the taxpayer to fund it in the first place.

In a society before socialised healthcare doctors and charitable organisations would help you out pro bono.
:B Geddit?

Wow, ugly. You've gone so far to create a bizarre hypothetical situation where you can justify feeling ok about leaving the weak and poor to die. Impressive work.

In a society before socialised healthcare doctors and charitable organisations would help you out pro bono and if you couldn't afford it you died in the gutter and we all laughed heartily at your poor life choices.

I added the bit you missed out.

You have a nice life. I don't think we'll gain anything by exchanging our views on this.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

universal healthcare for the planet.

and we shall use the diamonds of south africa to get a start up on the funds....

[Forum]

Are you E-Fs original account?

[Electric_Head]

domhunt - do you get free healthcare?
I don't.
Lots of my hard earned money goes to pay for horribly inflated medical bills.
I wish I was in a system that paid for my medical off the back of my tax contribution, rather than fucking the country up and stealing the money.

Nevalo - this is not fucking rwanda bro.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

hey, fuck you, we dont have free healthcare either. fucking most of my pay goes towards my meds & doctor visits (which are very frequent)

[domhunt]

domhunt - do you get free healthcare?
I don't.
Lots of my hard earned money goes to pay for horribly inflated medical bills.
I wish I was in a system that paid for my medical off the back of my tax contribution, rather than fucking the country up and stealing the money.

They're horribly inflated because of government intervention though.
Most ills in medicine can be traced back to government intervention.

If we fucked them off and had a true free market system then the medical industry would flourish..
The only reason the withholding of cures is so prevalent is because bureaucrats allow it to happen.

[magma]

You know they've tried that in the US for quite a while and they've finally decided to catch up with what the rest of the world did in the 20th Century, right?

There were, like, millions of 1st world citizens completely missing out on healthcare and being bankrupted by simple illnesses? No? Didn't see anything about that?

Your posts read like a Milton Friedman textbook from 1975.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

and this is why we struggle to move from 0 - 1 in terms of civilazation types

[Johnlenham]

I cant wait till we convert to Communism!

[Forum]

I cant wait till we are converted to Communism by China!