where can i get a mp3 of anti war dub?

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:28 pm

LOLLLLLLL.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:28 pm

The issue isn't black and white as some people like to claim, on both sides of the argument, so you can all natter away for as long as you like and nothing will ever be resolved.

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:31 pm

Kenneth Sulu wrote:
auralassassin wrote:don't parse words. it's stealing, plain and simple.
[RANT]Actually, it isn't stealing. It's copying. If you download a track, the original file does not disappear from the producers computer. The only thing that disappears is imaginary money. You MIGHT have bought the track, if you hadn't dl'ed it, or you MIGHT not.
I find the the fact that some people in this thread have gotten on their high and selfrighteous horse quite amusing. If you look at the top of this page, there's a link called "mixes" where you can find a whole shitload of DJsets full of published tracks, and download them for free. As far as I know, the legality of this is still under heavy debate.
Just for the record, I have dl'ed illegal tracks before, mainly as a try-before-you-buy sort of thing. I stopped doing that a while back and have just started an amazing relationship with bleep.com.
On the whole though, I'm all for piracy, never have so many people had access to so much good music, and it has made the major labels SERIOUSLY rethink their marketing and A&R strategies. Personally, I'm spending more money than ever on music and I know that it's mainly been the major labels that have been hit hard by this thing. Most of the independents are doing fine, as long as they don't release crap.[/RANT]

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auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:45 pm

Dude, it's fucking stealing. You didn't buy it, you don't own the rights to listen to that song. Period.

Let me put it this way... if I ever find a track that I produced on someones HD and it is being shared without permission, I'm breaking their fucking kneecaps.

Screw a lawsuit, I'm breaking faces and bodies. Noone steals and gets away with it. Why not ask all the world class producers on this website how they would feel about their shit being handed out, and we'll see how it goes.

You don't understand because you don't have shit signed, but you can bet your ass that when it happens to you, you'll be singing a different tune. I personally know of labels that have gone under, due to piracy and had tracks signed that went on the BILLBOARD charts--the label STILL filed for bankruptcy, and noone got paid.

We're talking over 100,000 copies sold... couldn't pay to keep the lights on. Needless to say, all those unsigned artists that COULD have gotten a deal through that company won't be now. All because one asshole ripped that CD and handed it out.

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:48 pm

Hey, anyone wanna come fuck 8bit's lady... I'm not GIVING her away, but anyone who wants to can SHARE her.

Get the point? Not mine to share.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:48 pm

LOL X 100.

"It's just copying not stealing".

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:49 pm

Haha, big up 8bitwonder-Lone soldier!

kenneth sulu · Post by **kenneth sulu** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:04 pm

It's not stealing. It's illegal, yes. call it illegal copying, bootlegging, whatever. It's not stealing.

auralassassin wrote:We're talking over 100,000 copies sold... couldn't pay to keep the lights on.

That doesn't sound like piracy, that sounds like really bad accounting.

auralassassin wrote:Hey, anyone wanna come fuck 8bit's lady... I'm not GIVING her away, but anyone who wants to can SHARE her.

Get the point? Not mine to share.

That just doesn't make sense. The stuff you said before, I could understand.

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:04 pm

I cant actually believe how extreme some heads are getting on this one. Its mad. I didnt think that people actually thought this way. As the man ufo said, anyone who thinks this is matter of black and white really hasnt thought this through. Have you thought properly (and I mean properly) about why we justifiably have private property rights? And all of the complexities oh my god where can you start, the deepest men in the history of thought have failed to come to consensus on this one, and you're saying you're gonna take kneecaps? Mad. Im completely bewildered

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:12 pm

People choose some weird things to become obsessed with

Don't you have anything better to worry about than how some people are listening to and enjoying your immaterial bundle of 0s and 1s that you made on your computer? And breaking kneecaps for it?

Auralassasin, you even admitted to trying before you bought! How do you align that to your view that it's "stealing"? How can you possibly claim it's the same as stealing material goods - how many other things do you "steal" before you buy, just to see if you like them or not?

Face it, it's just not as simple as you like to make out.

elgato wrote:Have you thought properly (and I mean properly) about why we justifiably have private property rights? The deepest men in the history of thought have failed to come to consensus on this one, and you're saying you're gonna take kneecaps?

Very nicely put.

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:17 pm

Just though, so jokes that this topic is about this tune! No fuss and no fight. Innit. Vibes

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:20 pm

elgato wrote:No fuss and no fight. Innit. Vibes

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:38 pm

Ufo, I use hardware and legit software that I have purchased with my slaves wages. I don't pirate anything, and I certainly don't share someone else's music.

I also haven't downloaded a single piece of music that I didn't own a copyright/license to since the day I finished my first track. I'm not preaching one thing while doing another... I will gladly get on SLSK and show you what I have shared... aside from remixes of tracks that I don't own the copyright to(my own remixes, mind you) and samples of tracks(loops, beats, accapela, drum hits, etc) you won't find a single piece of pirated material... and believe you me, I have THOUSANDS of hours of music on my hard drives.

I go broke buying music, and I'm not just being an elitist snob--that shit has got to stop. Do you have any clue how many people would give up everything to be able to eek even the smallest living off of producing tracks? Even some of the best producers and DJ's on the planet still have to keep day-jobs, just so they can eat. That shit ain't right.

these producers aren't fucking Kanye West... they aren't charting 5-10 million records. we're talking 1000 here... 10,000 there... chump change. You have any idea how much it costs to press a record? Labelling... advertisement... promo's... travel expenses... legal fees(no doubt to sue for your piracy)

I either buy, or delete... thats the difference. And I have legit serials and boxes and manuals for everything I use... I own every track I play... I support the people who give me the best gift that anyone could ever give me.

Think about how insulting it must be for Plastician, Loefah, Digital Mystikz to come here and read this thread... I'd kick someones ass. You are stealing from their plates, and pockets... this is groceries and gas money for some people... for others, it's blood, sweat and tears...

big deal, right?

assume you cost some poor bastard a record deal. yea, big deal... just a little money, you should be in it for the love of the game right?

What about validation?

What about getting something based on your meritts?

What about being able to reach a larger audience, because you have the support of a label?

Fuck anyone that steals from the producers. They are just like you, trying to be heard by as many people as possible... and you are fucking stealing from them. Making those hours that they could have been masturbating, partying, getting laid, WORKING AT A REAL JOB... you took all that effort and shit right on it.

I quit downloading other peoples music because I realized what a piece of shit it made me. We're not talking about learning about some new artist... we're talking about some guy coming here and asking specifically for an MP3 copy of a copyrighted work... which is OWNED BY SOMEONE WHO FUCKING POSTS HERE.

For shame.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:42 pm

Auralassasin - want to see a photo of my record collection? People who download music can buy music too, it's not unheard of

Ever thought of the people who go broke buying music they've only heard because of filesharing?

Like I said before - it's not as black and white as you make out.

kenneth sulu · Post by **kenneth sulu** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:45 pm

auralassassin wrote:we're talking about some guy coming here and asking specifically for an MP3 copy of a copyrighted work... which is OWNED BY SOMEONE WHO FUCKING POSTS HERE.

Fair enough, that was a bit rude.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:46 pm

Kenneth Sulu wrote:
auralassassin wrote:we're talking about some guy coming here and asking specifically for an MP3 copy of a copyrighted work... which is OWNED BY SOMEONE WHO FUCKING POSTS HERE.
Fair enough, that was a bit rude.

Yeah it was, but one persons rudeness doesn't have much to do with the issue the threads dealing with now.

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:47 pm

auralassassin wrote:Hey, anyone wanna come fuck 8bit's lady... I'm not GIVING her away, but anyone who wants to can SHARE her.

Get the point? Not mine to share.

so thats where she is,thought i had peace and quiet she did mention something about helping disabled children tonight

hhhmm guess i was wrong

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:50 pm

Record Company conglomerates factor in filesharing losses in the deals they offer to musicians and bands these days. Before you even get to record thirty seconds of your your first major label tune, a newly signed group is shouldering a percentage of the whole label's losses directly due to filesharing.

These are hundred million dollar companies with infrastructure and debt restructuring. They have 10 year plans and know that every new britney spears release is going to lose over a million plus in filesharing losses before the album even hits the streets. Mass marketing, radio airplay..etc.

Thats the big picture.

The small picture is a group of a thousand or so dubstep labels, producers and dj's that work day jobs.....spend their evenings in front of computer screens making music...travel abroad to spread their sounds for no money....using every last cent they have to try and actually make profit on their label releases....throw parties that operate at losses....etc etc. Why? Not to get rich, but for the love of the music.

I'd say for some of these people, the fact that you downloaded it illegally is good enough. Maybe for the others they're fucking pissed about slsk, but they can't come out in public and debate it it because they have a business to think about, and lord knows the slsk debate is overly rinsed out.

Do the right thing and open up your wallet. Get two jobs to pay for the vinyl habit if you have to...but don't come on net forums claiming to love the scene when you don't give up $£ to support it.

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:56 pm

seckle wrote:Record Company conglomerates factor in filesharing losses in the deals they offer to musicians and bands these days. Before you even get to record thirty seconds of your your first major label tune, a newly signed group is shouldering a percentage of the loss directly due to filesharing.

These are hundred million dollar companies with infrastructure and debt restructuring. They have 10 year plans and know that every new britney spears release is going to lose over a million plus in filesharing losses before the album even hits the streets. Mass marketing, radio airplay..etc.

Thats the big picture.

Then you have a group of a thousand or so dubstep labels, producers and dj's that work day jobs.....spend their evenings in front of computer screens making music...travel abroad to spread their sounds for no money....using every last cent they have to try and actually make profit on their label releases....throw parties that operate at losses....etc etc. Why? Not to get rich, but for the love of the music.

I'd say for some of these people, the fact that you downloaded it illegally is good enough. Maybe for the others they're fucking pissed about slsk, but they can't come out in public and debate it it because they have a business to think about, and lord knows the slsk debate is overly rinsed out.

Do the right thing and open up your wallet. Get two jobs to pay for the vinyl habit if you have to...but don't come on net forums claiming to love the scene when you don't give up $£ to support it.

well its cool coz i downloaded conspiras radio show from this very site for free which has loads of tracks including the dmz tune..i wasnt asking for trouble

think you should all go to bed and think of what you have done

really auralassasin there was no need for personal attacks

you let me down the forum down but worst of all ..........

you let yourself down.

flaviano · Post by **flaviano** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:58 pm

I'll buy the vinyl when it's music I actually know the producer has put their heart and soul into. But if you expect me to pay £13 for a CD by some commerical shitesters which I'll only run through my laptop anyway, then you got another thing coming.

Piracy - try and target multinational capitalist mafias, not the friends (or friends of friends, or friends of friends of friends, or forumates, or whatever) who are building the beats you blaze to every day.

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