Sub bass 'octave up' note?

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Sub bass 'octave up' note?

Post by Synkopate » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:48 pm

Yoyoyo. A sub (in this case a sine) is meant to sit in the same frequency range, right? So to do this, you would want to move notes that are going too low an octave up (and vice versa) - for example you might move a sine at C up an octave if the frequencies its hitting are too low to sound good. So the question is, which note would be the cut-off point?

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Re: Sub bass 'octave up' note?

Post by outdropt » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:00 pm

Synkopate wrote:Yoyoyo. A sub (in this case a sine) is meant to sit in the same frequency range, right? So to do this, you would want to move notes that are going too low an octave up (and vice versa) - for example you might move a sine at C up an octave if the frequencies its hitting are too low to sound good. So the question is, which note would be the cut-off point?
Depends on your system.

People say D#0 is pushing it on the low end of the keyboard. You want a rumble that is just barely audible, but if you put your hand in front of the speaker you should feel the air being pushed. Sometimes if I am playing a bassline, if the bassline has some notes that are on the next octave, I might leave out the sub in that section. It adds to the feel. C0 might be too low. Id stick to D#0-D#1
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Re: Sub bass 'octave up' note?

Post by lloydy » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:13 pm

Not 100% but didn't reso in his future music master class say club systems struggle to pick up subs below f2 or g2?May be wrong as i haven't watched it recently.
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Re: Sub bass 'octave up' note?

Post by Gravehill » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:25 pm

Going down to D# is going to make it sound like your bass is disappearing on a lot of systems. Even E1 is pushing it a little bit

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Re: Sub bass 'octave up' note?

Post by VirtualMark » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:26 pm

lloydy wrote:Not 100% but didn't reso in his future music master class say club systems struggle to pick up subs below f2 or g2?May be wrong as i haven't watched it recently.
Yeah he said he makes his tunes in E F or G. E1 is about 41hz.

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Re: Sub bass 'octave up' note?

Post by Synkopate » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:13 pm

Yeah Reso defo said E, G and F. Also, we should leave octaves out as synths and DAWs can vary which octave is which. I presume that if you are posting, you would know which octave we are in regarding sub

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Re: Sub bass 'octave up' note?

Post by bRRRz » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:22 pm

yeah i also generally write in e or f, i just think it's rumblelicious!
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Re: Sub bass 'octave up' note?

Post by bassinine » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:41 pm

http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html

going below d#1 is going to make the sub disappear unless your system is fucking beast.

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Re: Sub bass 'octave up' note?

Post by outdropt » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:55 pm

bassinine wrote:http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html

going below d#1 is going to make the sub disappear unless your system is fucking beast.
I am not in front of my keyboard atm. Maybe i ment D#1 :6:

For sub bass, instead of side chaining the kick, try to draw in volume automation to go with the rhythm of your track. Just dont go overboard.
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Re: Sub bass 'octave up' note?

Post by bassinine » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:03 pm

outdropt wrote:
bassinine wrote:http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html

going below d#1 is going to make the sub disappear unless your system is fucking beast.
I am not in front of my keyboard atm. Maybe i ment D#1 :6:

For sub bass, instead of side chaining the kick, try to draw in volume automation to go with the rhythm of your track. Just dont go overboard.
no, you're right actually. in ableton it says it's d#0 on the midi scroll, when technically it's d#1.

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