My paradox

[BLAHBLAHJAH]

Notice how this paradox is resolved by the one thing I deny: GOD
I will not be in heaven or eternity because there is no heaven or eternity.
The paradox is only resolved if you have faith! I have no faith, being of a logical disposition, therefore the paradox still exists.
Although I would agree that this paradox now, takes on a different form that resides far more within the metaphorical realm.

reach that existance to find out.

It all comes down to how big a difference you think it makes in your outlooks... love has massive effects on people and can create phenomenally deep bonds between people without much in common at all (me and my lady are polar opposites when it comes to most of life, but we have extremely similar moral outlooks)... the important bit is working out if any of those differences have practical implications for you or her.

The biggest and most retarded problem is the Christian cult's tactic of the triangle illusion, where by two people in a relationship are said to equal 3 including the god. It's a triangle because the lines arn't parrallel, meaning that the closer two people get, the closer they collectively get to god and 'vice versa'. If one person doesn't believe, it can't be completed etc, depriving the devowed from what their schizophrenia drives them towards. Consider it as the fire triangle, where people represent the fuel, love is heat and the gods are oxygen.

Chances are, if they're highly into a way of thoughts, it's because it's inherited. Regardless of how nice you are, this means that their family may too feel that you're perhaps not the one to complete their daughters life.

Play the game and strike up some sodomy whilst you can

[BLAHBLAHJAH]

By the way, it's probably worth thinking about that whole 'triangle' thing, as silly as it sounds. It's a huge component to the devoted, so approach it well. I brought it up expecting 'nahhh it'll be alright pal!' but instead it set off a massive snowball effect with the thoughts of differing realities. Give it some conversation, and despite any consequences, at least it shows you're using your mind

[Neurotik]

see for me the problem would be that i couldn't be with someone with strong religious views. I'm very anti religious and see people that need religion in their life to be weak. i'm not looking to offend anyone this is just my opinion on religion.

I'm the same, i doubt i'd be able to be with someone who's abit too strong on the religious matter. Admittedly i'm Catholic in belief and also more into the idea of intelligent design (as i accept evolution, big bang etc and find what science is telling us about our universe to be fascinating) but i love nothing more than to keep my religious views to myself while respecting other's so i do find it hard to be around people who think that everyone else's views have to go out the window to protect their own narrow minded view of the world.

Far from being offended by your opinion on religion, i actually completely understand it. Aswell as having my own beliefs i do like to believe what i believe and get on with my life because religion does tend to piss me off quite alot at times. More than most, i would have to say modern christianity annoys me the most, the amount of ignorance that comes out of just blindly handing money and power over to corrupt and greedy religious leaders to be considered a "good christian" is ridiculous. Being a good christian should be nothing more than respecting others as you respect yourself and forgiving others as you wish to be forgiven but instead of the initial idea of embracing and accepting our imperfections it always seems to boil down to persecuting and judging others because of theirs. That's always been my main problem with religion.

[badger]

havent really got a great deal to add to the paradox issue but it's been a interesting read

Being a good christian should be nothing more than respecting others as you respect yourself and forgiving others as you wish to be forgiven but instead of the initial idea of embracing and accepting our imperfections it always seems to boil down to persecuting and judging others because of theirs. That's always been my main problem with religion.

totally agree. i studied religious studies at A level and the one quote that really stuck with me was st augustine of hippo: "love god and do what you want"

that, to me, is what all christians should be striving towards instead of blindly following the archaic writings of the bible and sitting around in a stuffy church offering up praise to a being so powerful as not to need it. deep down everyone (sociopaths aside) know what is right and wrong, and to do what is right is to love god. if everyone were to follow that teaching then there would be far less confusion and suffering in the world

tell her god doesnt exist, get the fuck over it & grow a sack.

nice to see a good old intelligent debate isn't lost on you deams

[WhosZena]

Christians are obviously not all the same, there are so many views on God, life and the afterlife just within Christianity.
Some people get the idea that Christians just want to go round telling people to repent there sins and read the bible so they will go to heaven.
There is no formula to go to heaven, Im sure God would like it if you read the bible or prayed every day but its more than that.
People can go through life doing all the right things but have helped no one, at the same time you could go through life doing all the wrong things and still end up benefiting another person.
Its about where your heart is, and also a bit of common sense.

[kay]

It's only a paradox if you assume that the Bible and its depiction of God is 100% correct. As opposed to a cobbled-together bunch of writings by different people that has been re-written at least twice.

It cannot possibly be 100% correct because:
- It would be impossible for mere mortals to comprehend and describe God in the fullness of his/her/its abilities and character
- If it were 100% correct, there would no possibility of multiple interpretations which you see in the world around us now. The Word of God is the Word of God, it is absolute. It isn't the Word of God As I Intepret It or the Word of God As I Feel It Should Be This Week.

(there are also other reasons but they've been covered to death in other threads, so I won't bother about dragging those out of the tombstone again)

So, since the Bible isn't 100% correct, you can probably put your own slant on just about anything in it. Therefore, since God is infinitely forgiving and loves all his creations, he should ultimately forgive your disbelieve in him, because that is what makes you you. Therefore there'll be a little place in heaven reserved for you to be with your girlfriend.

Paradox resolved.

Notice how this paradox is resolved by the one thing I deny: GOD
I will not be in heaven or eternity because there is no heaven or eternity.
The paradox is only resolved if you have faith! I have no faith, being of a logical disposition, therefore the paradox still exists.
Although I would agree that this paradox now, takes on a different form that resides far more within the metaphorical realm.

Howzabout this one then:
When you die, you go to your version of death, ie your life snuffs out. No afterlife or whatever. A complete dark end.

When she dies, she goes to her version of death. Which is heaven. And to make it perfect for her, a facsimile of you will be provided by God. Unfortunately, that facsimile of you will become utterly pissed off for eternity because he was proved wrong. But because you'll unconditionally love each other, you'll carry on in heaven as you are now, albeit a bit more grumpily. Kinda like an old married couple.

[Leave Blank]

Wow, I was different back then!

[hifi]

i have nothin 2 contribute but to bump it and always like reading magmas responses

[lovelydivot]

Dude is going to wake up in a cage with his girls name on it...

[LACE]

snypadub is wholeheartedly christian now so this thread is quite an interesting read..

[Phigure]

early contender for bump of the year

[incnic]

she actually sounds pretty mental IMO
steer clear its gonna end in tears

[incnic]

DAMN
META TECHBRO BUMP
how did it go nyway alphacunt?

[magma]

Wow, I was different back then!

Only just made the connection.

I still quite like my posts in this thread; it's nice when that happens. Normally when threads get bumped I sit here thinking about how bad a mood I must've been in!

[Electric_Head]

Oh, is Leave Blank Snypa?

[skell1ngton777]

Wow, I was different back then!

now you're a born again christian right?

EDIT: uhm i was actually making a joke but i just realised that you are in fact christian now. Interesting!

[Electric_Head]

It would take a lot for me to convert to Christianity after all the mindless shit I've had to deal with from my christian parents.

[skell1ngton777]

I'm kind of realising that a lot of Atheists don't really seem to know why they are atheist and they are just going along with peer consensus or whatever, and that there is such a thing as 'atheist dogma'.

Not claiming this is anything new, just never really thought about it before.

[Genevieve]

If you are everything she's longing for, and if God promises her everything she truly wants in her afterlife, and if you're going to hell cuz you're an atheist, then I think that your soul will be sent to hell, while the illusion of your 'being' is in her heaven?

Like even here on Earth, is it really your soul that she loves, or is what's between her and you? I think it's more the 'between' thing that she's attached to. Both you and her are just vessels for it. So I think that when she's (her soul) going to heaven and you're (your soul) going to hell, she'll bring with her the love between the two of you (and maybe even some sort of spiritual manifestation of her love, that could probably look/act/smell/feel/behave like your physical body does here). Or at least, HER interpretation of your love (because 'your love' for 'her' is a different thing from 'her love' for 'you', because while people can empathize with each other, they still do it through their own personal lense)

I'm not a believer either, btw.

[magma]

Reply's two years late, Genevieve. He converted.