feminine issues in electronic music...

[Harkat]

This is not a fresh haircut and some make-up...

This is full on glamour shot and doesn't represent jungle to me...this is over the top disco diva.




Now you can argue what exactly is a jungle aesthetic - and I have a fully developed idea in my head
Maybe I'm being self-centered for expecting my perception to be correct or whatever...

But I absolutly did not think sexual exploitation was part of it in any amount.

I didn't think that a junglist female would allow that.

I was really shocked.


That insert to me - is the female equivalent of a photo of John B's crotch.

Agreed.

[garethom]

maybe she should've been wearing a hoody underneath some camo netting so she gives off a junglist female vibe for you.

[lovelydivot]

[lovelydivot]

Did someone say something about babylon?

[incnic]

maybe she should've been wearing a hoody underneath some camo netting so she gives off a junglist female vibe for you.

lol

what about disclosure faces

[lovelydivot]

What about Whore of Babylon images...That would have been fun
I think I'm partial to the more antique one...

[magma]

Here's fun... which female has the longest running number one album on both the UK and US charts? Subtley styled, 'real' woman Adele.

As much as society absolutely does lean to overly sexualised images of women, it's not the be all and end all as you've shown yourself and women achieve success all over the place without having to pose topless. Becoming a successful musician or a glamorous "artist" isn't the only way for a woman to succeed in this world anymore, thank God - looking good is still important, but it possibly used to be even worse when all women were for was being wives, daughters and courtesans - women can earn respect for all sorts of things now. Today is vastly better than when my Mum was a teenager and her Mother used to make her take off her glasses when they had visitors round. That was the 50s... we're in 2013 now; Adele is the biggest selling artist, male or female, in recent memory, Margaret Thatcher was a deeply unsexy PM 25 years ago, on a male-dominated forum like this one we've got a SNH Fashion Thread and one of the most popular sitcoms on British TV is a show called Miranda, which is awful but is lapped up because she's very 'normal' in the way a lot of men on TV are 'normal'. The world has been and is still changing.

Edit: Just saw it wasn't you that brought it up so I deleted the bit about still worrying about that CD. Unfair!

[incnic]

but adele is a pig IMO

[Mason]

Margaret Thatcher was a deeply unsexy PM

speak 4 yourself m8

[lovelydivot]

And I know I'm gonna catch shit from someone saying..."Just cause a girl dresses up doesn't mean she's a whore..." YA YA BLAH BLAH

Which is, of course, true in many cases...


But you are just flat out wrong if you think girls don't fully use looks to stack on above other girls...

We've been raised on this...it's real.

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[magma]

But you are just flat out wrong if you think girls don't fully use looks to stack on above other girls...

I have never said that. Of course they do. As disappointing as it might seem to intellectuals, human beings are animals that have an enormous appetite for sex and sexual beauty will *always* be a saleable commodity; that's the same for men as it is women. We all know plenty of guys that use their looks to their advantage - perhaps not always to make money, perhaps to get sex, create instinctive trust in people... you don't often see an ugly confidence trickster.

I'm sorry about all of this, but it's really not worth having a miserable life over. There are plenty of other talents as well as sexual beauty which are valuable. I don't think I've ever had much luck using my looks to get money, so I learnt how to screw around with computers when I was a teenager rather than chasing girls like the prettier, more confident boys. Now I'm fucking awesome and half of them are miserable fucks complaining about never having had an opportunity. You make happiness on your own... other people are busy making their own.

Just because looks count doesn't mean they're all conquering as our many examples point out. You can either rise to the challenge of meeting human existence with the tools you were provided (we've all got faults), stand tall and make happiness for yourself or you can be bitter for your whole life because of a single facet of human existence. Plenty of women opt out of the sexualisation game and live perfectly successful, happy lives using their other talents.

Like, erm, making jewellery. Like you... why be hung up on other people's ideas of beauty when you've found your way in the world without having to rely on them? (That's not a backhanded remark... I just assume from your posts you don't wear skimpy clothes to hawk your stuff - you do make jewellery, right? )

[lovelydivot]

This all may just boil down to being a power issue...

Men acheive positions of power based on certain things fair or not...based on truth or perceived truths

Women have the same power issues - with exploiting looks, either by the woman or the man in charge, being just another manifestation of a power struggle.



- but if everyone is trying to be a pimp or a playboy - it's not going to be good for the girl that doesn't want to play that.


I've actually thought before - I'm not going to approach this person...
Because I don't want his friends to tease him.




I don't want to be that stupid ass pig.

[butter_man]

And how that effects who? Him or you?

[lovelydivot]

I wanna be lambchop - but crescent fresh....



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[lovelydivot]

And how that effects who? Him or you?

I'm not tryin' to pull the frog down off his swag...

and I'm definatly not gonna get pegged as that pushy psychotic pig bitch.

[incnic]

id have a mix with u divot tbf
in teh face of relentless male and dsf u do well IMO

its vinyl onyl tho

[lovelydivot]

I've never even touched a CDJ...

[butter_man]

And how that effects who? Him or you?

I'm not tryin' to pull the frog down off his swag...

and I'm definatly not gonna get pegged as that pushy psychotic pig bitch.

would you feel the say if you were in his shoes?

[lovelydivot]

My pimp style is ultra nice...I like it when people talk to me.

The way you look is how I know you - not how I judge you.

[butter_man]

I got blanked by a scratch dj at a local venue once. I went to say his set was good and told me was busy and stood somewhere else. Fair enough. He mustnt of been shy though cos he spent the night following round a girl who found him a bit much and (she) came to chill with me. Swings and roundabouts.

People being pricks dont make you less of a person.