feminine issues in electronic music...

[Muncey]

Female producers/DJs compared to male is probably about the same ratio as those who go to raves lol. Its very male orientated on the very basic level of going to clubs to listen to 'underground' electronic music. You get a much better ratio in a normal weekend club playing chart music.. which is reflected in the ratio of females in the charts.

In fact I think females have a much better chance of making it in underground music because people give a shit about good music more than looks ect. Unlike chart music where you can be the most talented person in the world, if you look like a spud you ain't getting a number 1.

[kingGhost]

That's exactly what I am talking about.


I'm just a woman rambling about some stuff.

he made no mention of your gender actually

[lovelydivot]

So a mans ability to write off a woman's nagging contributing with quickness is not an intrical part of the gender issues concept..?!

I think so.

Men complain - wait - I'm not even complaining here....


A man tries to talk about about an issue - he has an opinion.

A woman tries and she gets written off as nagging.



I'm starting to get sick of this thread.

I try to have an intelligent adult discussion about a real topic and get accused of being a whiny bitch.

[lovelydivot]

I know it's not everyone here...

Just the boss overs - You know - The man.


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[butter_man]

Compete talent.

Evolve pleasure.

[Johnlenham]

I thought one reason why there are not alot of females in electronic music is because Djing and Producing is geeky as fuck,atlast compared to many other hobbies, sports and even creative music.

[butter_man]

Id rather a good mix by someone buttaz than a bad mix by a hotty.

Im not alone.

[magma]

Why aren't there more women active in electronic music?

It's obvious that there aren't, so why is it?

Are there hundreds of thousands of women trying in every city but not getting the recognition?

It doesn't appear so. If you take club attendance as your signifier then the majority of people that are interested in this culture are male. How many times do we step into clubs and sigh about the sweaty sausage fest before our eyes? It's certainly not like bouncers are turning women away. If you log onto the Internet and visit any forum about music production, the vast majority of members will be male too. The Production board on here certainly isn't over-brimmed with teenage girls asking about how to create their first wobble, it IS overbrimmed with teenage boys asking the same questions.

Why are teenage boys more likely to get involved than teenage girls?

This is the crux of the issue for me. It's not so much that women get kicked back by the industry, more that there are vastly fewer of them confident or interested enough to try. It strikes me that it's not so much an adult issue as a teenage one. Why is it more acceptable for teenage boys to get interested in anything and become nerdy about it (whether it's DJing, football, computer programming or Star Trek) than it is for girls? Why is it that "boys" magazines and comics can be about any manner of subjects, but girls ones tend to be about beauty, boys and shopping?

How does success actually come about for those that make it?

I know quite a few girls that have made moves in the industry (two very closely - my housemate is a pop music publicist and my best mate will play the Roundhouse in a couple of weeks and one of the main stages at Glastonbury this summer) and the thing that links them is that they've been driving themselves towards a career in music or the general creative arts since they were about 12 and have never let anyone stand in their way. My best mate was promoting illegal all day gigs in Bristol when she was 14, my housemate was working for free doing PR campaigns and networking at gigs every night whilst she studied for her business degree.

Whether male or female, the overriding similarity between everyone I know that's made any sort of move in the music industry is their single-minded determination to get where they want to be. NOBODY has ever been given a gig, a release and certainly not any kind of following without believing in themselves before anyone else did. The industry isn't fair, it's a business... only the ones who raise their head above the parapet for long enough will get attention.

[Genevieve]

This girl is a DJ..

[Electric_Head]

good camera work

[Johnlenham]

Why aren't there more women active in electronic music?

Good points.

This girl is a DJ..

So is she not really sure what the point of the gif but

http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1115

[Blenky]

Why aren't there more women active in electronic music?

Good points.

This girl is a DJ..

So is she not really sure what the point of the gif but

http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1115

Probably not helping the topic of the thread but Nina Kraviz is so peng

[Johnlenham]

This is relevant and turned up on RA today.. how about that eh?
Dasha Rush: All you need is ears
http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1751

I'd like to talk a little more in-depth about your perspective on gender because I don't think serious conversations take place, especially in techno.
That's because it's not easy to talk about, because there are a lot of clichés. I'm not really a feminist or gender theorist. If I like the artist it doesn't really matter what sex they are, but there is a certain difference in the sensibility of men and women by default. It's a natural thing. There is something. Even the way to express or approach things. Music, literature, any kind of expressive activity or art, and it is different. For women, they have this cycle every month, this hormonal cycle that influences perception, reaction, expression, impression. It's different for men. I feel my sensibility is more psychotic during that part of the month [laughs] and then two weeks later it could be something different... I feel my feminine sensibility is related to my hormonal cycles. That's biology. So I can't deny it. This is part of the whole aspect of intellectual, creative process. You have to accept it, and work with it.

OK, so that's how your biology influences your creativity, but what about how the scene receives you as a woman?
There is the other side of it, that "techno music is masculine music." [It] is not really masculine on purpose. It's just a society that's developed a certain way. There are certain situations, ridiculous situations, where people are very sexist. I know women who bring their sexuality to DJing and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I have a colleague of mine, she was playing Panorama Bar, and she very "girlish," which is cool.

This critic, a friend of a friend, said, "She's just moving her bottom and moving her tits, it was not about the music," which was totally not true! It's just not the way the music would affect him. The music is sexual. Personally, I think techno is liberating—like any music, actually, if it's good. But for me, it's the physicality of techno. There is a proved theory I think, where they found a certain range of frequencies of very, very low bass—I can't remember the exact hertz—that provokes excitement on a women's organs. The woman likes bass.

[LACE]

I'm not really a feminist or gender theorist. If I like the artist it doesn't really matter what sex they are, but there is a certain difference in the sensibility of men and women by default. It's a natural thing. There is something. Even the way to express or approach things. Music, literature, any kind of expressive activity or art, and it is different. For women, they have this cycle every month, this hormonal cycle that influences perception, reaction, expression, impression. It's different for men. I feel my sensibility is more psychotic during that part of the month [laughs] and then two weeks later it could be something different ... I feel my feminine sensibility is related to my hormonal cycles. That's biology. So I can't deny it. This is part of the whole aspect of intellectual, creative process. You have to accept it, and work with it.


There is a proved theory I think, where they found a certain range of frequencies of very, very low bass—I can't remember the exact hertz—that provokes excitement on a women's organs. The woman likes bass.

that is her perspective on gender?..oh, that was tough to read. cringeworthy even

[kingGhost]

she's Russian i think so perhaps there's something lost in translation there - but something irks me when women seem to compete with each other over who is more feminist. obviously men and women are very different, otherwise this conversation wouldn't exist anyway. to her, she says it's her period that makes her crazy for a bit each month. it's not like she said "and i just can't wait til i can quit this DJing nonsense and find a man to take care of me and get me pregnant." and even if she did say that - so what?

and BM - it wouldn't matter if you were man or woman, attractive or not... the posts you put on this forum just make people not take you seriously. sorry bro

[Johnlenham]

she's Russian i think so perhaps there's something lost in translation there -

Yeah Nina also says some stuff that is hard to make sense of.
Im bored so im trying think of other "big" female Djs that might have interviews relating to the subject at hand.. Heidi, Ikonica and Maya Jane Coles are the only other two I can think of right now.

It’s nice to see more female DJs and producers breaking through in the last couple of years, do you think its harder for females to make a name for themselves within the electronic music scene? How did you get your first break?
I don’t necessarily think it’s harder for females as long as you’ve got the skills and the ear, but I have previously experienced quite judgemental attitudes from fellow male producers when I first tell them what I do. Obviously being a young female producer a lot of guys would write me off a shit before they’ve actually heard any of my music. So sometimes it has been hard to be taken seriously on initial meeting! But luckily I’ve never had that problem once a person has heard my productions . Female producers come pretty far a and few between so when one comes along that is equally as good as the boys I think sometimes people get a bit shocked or maybe threatened. I get asked by so many guys whether I use an engineer or If I really do it all myself…? The answer is NO I do not use an engineer to do all the work! and YES! I make all my own music! hehe

http://www.louchemusic.com/interviews/maya-jane-coles/

[Terpit]

she's Russian i think so perhaps there's something lost in translation there -

Yeah Nina also says some stuff that is hard to make sense of.
Im bored so im trying think of other "big" female Djs that might have interviews relating to the subject at hand.. Heidi, Ikonica and Maya Jane Coles are the only other two I can think of right now.

The bird from Faithless? I saw her DJ here a few years ago

[Genevieve]

DJ Rap, Robyn Chaos, Lucy Furr, DJ Anime, Korsakoff?

Biggest female DJs I can think of atm.

[Electric_Head]

she's Russian i think so perhaps there's something lost in translation there -

Yeah Nina also says some stuff that is hard to make sense of.
Im bored so im trying think of other "big" female Djs that might have interviews relating to the subject at hand.. Heidi, Ikonica and Maya Jane Coles are the only other two I can think of right now.

The bird from Faithless? I saw her DJ here a few years ago

Sister Bliss
Doesn't Morcheeba's front lady also DJ?

[garethom]

DJ Rap, Robyn Chaos, Lucy Furr, DJ Anime, Korsakoff?

Biggest female DJs I can think of atm.

Steffi.
MAH obvs.
Monki.

Sure there's more female DJs on rinse.

For smaller names, got people like DJ Raggs, Ting's show on Rood gets quite a large and well deserved following too.