ultraspatial wrote:Also, Capitalist Casualties aren't really considered a hardcore punk band per se, the kinda stuff they do is referred to as powerviolence.
Powerviolence is a microscene of thrashcore and thrashcore is just fast hardcore punk. It evolved straight out of noisey punk and proto-grind and fast hardcore from the mid '80s, especially Japanese stuff like Gauze and Euro bands like Lärm. Like the answer to deadly asking how they could be punk is easy; disregard mainstream rock publications and ESPECIALLY British rock journalism about what constitutes punk. Rolling Stone magazine proclaimed hardcore dead in '86 after the death of Black Flag (though by that time their label was mainly releasing indie rock anyway). However, Infest released one of the most influential pieces of American hardcore punk in '87 with their demo.
Powerviolence, grind, thrash, noisecore, it's all really bullshit that does nothing but describe one of many, many scenes of fast hardcore that sprung up in the mid to late '80s.
I find the whole Boston/NY tough guy proto-metalcore stuff far less "hardcore" than any thrashcore. It musically sounds a lot more metal to me than punk.