FL Stereo Shaper on drums?

[BYTEME]

Is that a bad idea or a good idea? (Does it it distort, misshape, or ruin the level of the sample in the track?)

(Some other unrelated stuff that you don't have to read but I'm going to say anyway:)
In other news I'm still trying to grasp side-chaining, compressing, and trying to imitate a thick Culprate bass sound, but I don't even know how to start to be honest. I don't even understand comb filters, daft filters, and what 'damping' is.

[wub]

Sounds good = do it

Doesn't sound good = don't do it

[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

i asume its some kind of stereo widener? if it sounds nice monoesc but you miss a stereo feel try to split the signal add some kind of stereo enhancer inbefore the real enhancer so you have someting to work with and turn the knobs until you feel it. cut of the low end in the 2nd stereoesc channel and it should sound wider but still has the bottom of the mono signal

[BYTEME]

Went ahead and used subtle amounts of stereo shaper and stereo enhancer on my kick and other drums. I also side chained my kick to my triangle sub. (And EQed as necessary to make room for the kick to punch through, and the other high stuff to fit in.)

This is literally probably the best mastering I've ever done, besides that snare being loud. I like it loud.
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[sully_harmitage]

Check your mix in mono. If it goes to shit, you're not doing the track any favours.
You're introducing the possibility of phase cancellation so IMO best left alone.

(I haven't checked the track btw, sorry.)

[Maxxan]

Sounds good = do it

Doesn't sound good = don't do it

I gotta say wub, this response is starting to get on my nerves. It's fairly obvious that if you add an effect to your track and it sounds like total shit no one is going to keep it on there innit? The reason why people are asking is of course because they're wondering stuff like if it could introduce phase cancellation, how it'll translate to different systems, what happens if I get it mastered etc, stuff they wouldn't have thought of themselves that might not be obvious to your ears at first, I know I've made mistakes like that before.

So yeah, you're not really helping with that response and while you often make a lot of valid points, more and more lately I think it's making you look like a total douchebag know-it-all. It's not a good look for you man.

[mromgwtf]

Sounds good = do it

Doesn't sound good = don't do it

I gotta say wub, this response is starting to get on my nerves. It's fairly obvious that if you add an effect to your track and it sounds like total shit no one is going to keep it on there innit? The reason why people are asking is of course because they're wondering stuff like if it could introduce phase cancellation, how it'll translate to different systems, what happens if I get it mastered etc, stuff they wouldn't have thought of themselves that might not be obvious to your ears at first, I know I've made mistakes like that before.

So yeah, you're not really helping with that response and while you often make a lot of valid points, more and more lately I think it's making you look like a total douchebag know-it-all. It's not a good look for you man.

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[RandoRando]

Sounds good = do it

Doesn't sound good = don't do it

I gotta say wub, this response is starting to get on my nerves. It's fairly obvious that if you add an effect to your track and it sounds like total shit no one is going to keep it on there innit? The reason why people are asking is of course because they're wondering stuff like if it could introduce phase cancellation, how it'll translate to different systems, what happens if I get it mastered etc, stuff they wouldn't have thought of themselves that might not be obvious to your ears at first, I know I've made mistakes like that before.

So yeah, you're not really helping with that response and while you often make a lot of valid points, more and more lately I think it's making you look like a total douchebag know-it-all. It's not a good look for you man.

wubs response doesnt get anymore straightforward. Your asking "(Does it it distort, misshape, or ruin the level of the sample in the track?)" The only person who can know that is you, DOES IT distort DOES IT misshape???? if its sounds good keep it, if it doesnt take it off.

You look like the ignorant one asking a question and then turning down info from a more experienced producer. People like you tend to over think producing when there is really not much more to it than what wub said.



*edit* 3000th post btw lol

[Maxxan]

wubs response doesnt get anymore straightforward. Your asking "(Does it it distort, misshape, or ruin the level of the sample in the track?)" The only person who can know that is you, DOES IT distort DOES IT misshape???? if its sounds good keep it, if it doesnt take it off.

You look like the ignorant one asking a question and then turning down info from a more experienced producer. People like you tend to over think producing when there is really not much more to it than what wub said.



*edit* 3000th post btw lol

Yeah sorry man but I'm actually not the OP and I KNOW you know what I mean, a novice ear won't be able to tell if his mix is going to fall apart in mono because of phase issues or whatever. I'm not saying I couldn't (not saying I could either, it's beside the point) but there ARE legitimate questions to stuff that you can't answer on your own and like I said before, it's such an obvious answer it doesn't help anyone and I doubt it ever has. If it sounds bad of COURSE the op isn't going to do it, that's not what he's looking for. With that reasoning we wouldnt need the production boards at all because you could simply open up your DAW and as soon as you ran into any trouble say to yourself "Hey, this doesn't sound good, I shouldn't do it!".

Also I'm sure you're smart enough to know that's what I was getting at all along. I wasn't trying to be a dick, I have a lot of respect for wub and what he's doing for the boards etc but that doesn't mean I can't disagree with some of the stuff he says. Quite frankly I think it's an ignorant response and it's condescending to the people coming here with legitimate questions. I'm not looking for a fight, just trying to improve the quality of the boards, ya dig.

(and btw unless you're suspecting wub might be suffering from prostate cancer you need to climb out of his ass man )

Edit: Yeah, the OP has been asking some lulzy questions and I'm not really talking about this thread in particular, tbh I hardly read it, it's just that it seems like "if it sounds good do it" has become the go-to reply for every thread on the boards and it's getting even lamer than all the Skrillex-posts back in the day.

[wub]

Fair comment, I can see how the repeated use of that particular phrase might not sit well with some folk. My apologies.

However I stand by my opinion that for some questions (this being a good example) on something as intangible as whether something is a good idea or not, I'd argue that experimentation is a key factor in forming one's own decision.

There is nothing against the OP, or the sort of question, but if I'd come out and said a straight "good idea, do it" or "bad idea, don't do it" response, in many ways that could be interpreted as less helpful as I'd be giving a definite one way or the other response.

I'm of the belief that good music stems from experimenting and find one's own path, to a certain extent. Not that questions can't be asked along the way to guide and develop, but the vagueness of a question such as whether something sounds good/bad or is the right/wrong thing to do is something that I have a specific viewpoint on.

[Maxxan]

Yeah, I definately see what you mean. For sound design experimentation is a vital component but when you're touching the subject of mixdowns, stereo shaping etc I'd say it's hard for a novice to tell what's a good idea and what isn't. I mean it's safe to say the OP probably doesn't have an ideal listening environment and so the subtle differences of stereo width, phase cancellation etc probably wont be instantly obvious to his ears, at least not yet. It might be a good idea to instruct him that if he's going to be fucking with the stereo width (and he thinks it sounds good, lol) he should keep that to the high frequencies or he'll mess up the mix. For example.

What's obvious to advanced producers isn't so obvious to everyone.

But yeah, I came off a little harsh I guess, sorry lol. It's not that big of a deal and there are some questions getting asked that maybe don't need to be. So, y'know. Bigups dsf

[RandoRando]