vinyl making a noticeable shift away from 140

hudson · Post by **hudson** » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:06 pm

I'm still waiting for the 100bpm to catch up and start doing some ambient housey stuff so I can actually mix in some of my tracks.

crabb_steppa · Post by **crabb_steppa** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:52 am

wow. some great replies in here...

crabb_steppa · Post by **crabb_steppa** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:06 am

hudson wrote:I'm still waiting for the 100bpm to catch up and start doing some ambient housey stuff so I can actually mix in some of my tracks.

this guy gets it.. the original post was more about wanting some hip sounding 140 in a "dj tool" sense... and not wanting to have to start collecting shit tons of 128 (ish.. etc.) in order to "connect the dots" (fill gaps) when making a set

I'm after more 140 'dance music' rather than 'dubstep' ( or "bass music", i.e dubstep in all its present sonic permutations ) at all kinds of tempos

this is what I'm on about

out to the high and mighty bpm police naysayer crew

edit: perhaps I'll hunker down in the studio

Sexual_Chocolate · Post by **Sexual_Chocolate** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:08 am

alphacat wrote:More generally: "EDM" in the ballpark of 133 - NO WAY!

alphacat in 2012 wrote:The whole idea of 133 being the "perfect" BPM has a history - where've I heard it? Larry Levan? 'Modulations' documentary?

It's an academic point at best though. Besides the excellent examples of "what about fat outta shape people tho?" - what about kids? You ever seen anybody successfully dance on time to gabber except a little kid? What about really old people? They're fucking happy to get a groove on at like 33 bpm, let alone 133. Ism schism. Fixed, explicit BPMs are a handy reference for DJ's, not anything to attempt to build a genre out of. I can probably find polka, metal, and classical that's 133 BPM. A groovy song does not cease being groovy when you pitch it up or down +/-5... it's all about the context of the mix to a large degree.

Also, if I recall right in the first place (as to the historical origin of 133 as perfect) it also had to do with the rise of cocaine use in disco dancers. Might be wrong on that one tho.

Levans best stuff was at 118 though.

SCope13 · Post by **SCope13** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:33 am

"hip sounding 140"

seriously wat

skimpi · Post by **skimpi** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:33 am

well making a thread about it isnt gonna get people making it.

whats wrong with taking some 130 and maybe pitching it up, you do know how to do that right? you can mix things that arent exactly 140 right?

EliteLennon117 · Post by **EliteLennon117** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:39 am

just start mixing gabber imo

at least you get cool mask

Dystinkt · Post by **Dystinkt** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:24 am

more of this, this kind of stuff is the majority of my sets these days

Soundcloud

Amantus · Post by **Amantus** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:55 pm

yeah stuff changes

crabb_steppa · Post by **crabb_steppa** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:26 pm

SCope13 wrote:"hip sounding 140"

seriously wat

what's so hard to understand about that nebraska?

skimpi wrote:well making a thread about it isnt gonna get people making it.

whats wrong with taking some 130 and maybe pitching it up, you do know how to do that right? you can mix things that arent exactly 140 right?

could u show me?

they are 2 totally different feels. I don't want my shit pitched that much cause it fucks with the overall tone of each beat element. fucks sake. I don't want one table - 8 and the other + 8

crabb_steppa · Post by **crabb_steppa** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:38 pm

I guess what I'm getting at is looking for this non-140 stuff to take an influence on the 140 --- like a new paradigm at 140 i.e "hip"

if u don't understand don't reply please it's insufferable

skimpi · Post by **skimpi** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:46 pm

I just dont get why you need to mix at 140, its pretty gay just sticking to one tempo lol, i know what your saying about you want people to start making whatever music they want but at 140, but your missing out on a hell of a lot of good music because you are restricting yourself to 140. nothing has to be majorly pitched, going from 140 to like 135 is nothing really, and the same for going from 130 to 135.

Some things groove a lot better at slower tempos though, so even if it was made at 140 to begin with it wouldnt be as good.

Muncey · Post by **Muncey** » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:20 pm

Theres so much 140 out there, just look. If you can't find anything theres like a decade of old stuff you can search through.. a lot of it sounding as fresh now as it did then. Limiting yourself to 140 is bad enough, limiting to only new 140 is just silly.. its no wonder you think 'vinyl is making a noticeable shift away from 140'.

Also pitching 130 and 140 together wouldn't be anywhere close to -8 and +8.. closer to -3 and +3.

If you're struggling to find 140 you like and you don't have thousands of it already then 140 probably aint the speed for you.

crabb_steppa · Post by **crabb_steppa** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:19 pm

fair enough, thanks for the replies!

tbh the thread came about after doing some shopping at chemical (who still has a 'dubstep/garage' category) and redeye (who have a 'bass music' category, most of which was not at 140) ...

I have lots of both, tons of old 2-step, lot of classic half-step anthems from 06/07 on .. trying to get into more of a 4*4 wot u call it sound .. wen, mmm, dismantle, new soap dodgers, i know i know "keeping digging" - thats what I'm off to do

peace and respect

skimpi · Post by **skimpi** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:41 pm

mate get some old ghetto house, some of it sounds wicked and hype at 140

ghosttown · Post by **ghosttown** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:53 pm

141 is the new 140.

Mojo · Post by **Mojo** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:55 pm

ghosttown wrote:141 is the new 140.

I always thought there was a slight shift to 139, but 141 works fine I guess.

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