Reasons we need feminism

pembroke · Post by **pembroke** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:06 am

I think I'm missing something here. Why has this been cluttering every social network for the past month or so? What happened?

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:11 am

Tumblr m8. It's like a feminist spawning ground. Purty fertile indeed

pembroke · Post by **pembroke** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:17 am

But was there a trigger?
I've had one for a while, and followed the same people throughout, and never seen this shit so much.

Coincidentally, a couple weeks before noticing this, I did see a .gif of some kid being sexually assaulted by a girl getting 100,000 notes haha

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:19 am

Yeah I noticed the same thing. I think it's just another trend like the whole UFO disclosure thing was 2 years ago.

Could also be a response to a growing number of people learning that feminism and its "theories" are based on bullshit (rape culture, the patriarchy, the paygap).

pembroke · Post by **pembroke** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:22 am

Genevieve wrote: Could also be a response to a growing number of people learning that feminism and its "theories" are based on bullshit (rape culture, the patriarchy, the paygap).

Half the time, those are the EXACT "reasons" for it

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:27 am

pembroke wrote:
Genevieve wrote: Could also be a response to a growing number of people learning that feminism and its "theories" are based on bullshit (rape culture, the patriarchy, the paygap).
Half the time, those are the EXACT "reasons" for it

Well, it's like this thing where people get more sure of their position the more counter-arguments they come across.

lovelydivot · Post by **lovelydivot** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:48 am

I'm kinda surprized about this thread...

You haven't noticed that culturally...
..things have been getting progressively more hostile for woman?

Seriosly - In the late 80's - early 90's - If you even suggested that a black woman should be twerkin' for bills...
You would have gotten' the living shit knocked out of you...

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nousd · Post by **nousd** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:50 am

to keep ageing femonazi academics relevant until they reach retirement
and young men mindful that they need to work harder to see their interests represented.

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:22 am

Society isn't becoming more hostile to women. Men are becoming less accepting of feminist bullshit and things have been getting more culturally hostile for everyone. In this day and age, 'oppression' is a lot more complicated than a lot of feminists would have you believe. It works on an individual basis and includes lifestyle choice, religion, financial status, mental health and a number of other things. Wealthy, straight, black people are less oppressed in society than poor, gay caucasians.

But society isn't structured in a way that it benefits men. On the contrary, women are the limiting factor in human reproduction. That one egg-cell per month is worth more and requires more resources than our millions of sperm. This is why female virginity (and sexuality) is glorified as something sacred and male virginity as something disposable. And politically, women have been asking for a lot of things that men have without facing the same individual responsibility. Neither women nor men had the vote for the longest time, when men finally got the vote, they were expected to give their life for their country, while this wasn't asked of women. And even an 18 year old British boy who died in some French trench in WWI did not have the vote while the feminist movement was protesting the right to vote while not being expected to fight their wars.

And even now, boys are getting progressively worse grades at school while girls are getting better ones (So much focus on getting girls more interested in math, but who cares about boys, right?) and college degree women are on the rise while there's more male dropouts. Getting women to learn has come at the expense of men. Thanks "patriarchy"! So the paygap will probably a real thing soon with women actually earning more than men (they earn the same right now, except women tend to work less hours and usually also less demanding jobs, this is why more than 70% of all work related deaths happen to men... because this is a sexist society that hates women.. so it pushes men into jobs that could kill them more.. because we value men more.. or something). And what's with the feminist lobby getting 40% of all stimulus money during the recession to female dominated occupation fields... while 80% of all jobloss occurred in men dominated fields and how can you still claim that women are underrepresented

The list goes on. It's not a matriarchy, but we live in a society that serves and protects women. Most actual sexism against them is rooted in benevolence, not hatred. It's not justifiable, but to claim that sexism is symptomatic of a society structured for the well being of men is a lie. And if you want to adress that, talk to women about it, because statistically, most boys learn sexism from their mothers, not their dads. But most men know that from birth anyway, literally. Cuz crying girls get taken care of faster than crying baby boys are.

pembroke · Post by **pembroke** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:28 am

lovelydivot wrote:I'm kinda surprized about this thread...

You haven't noticed that culturally...
..things have been getting progressively more hostile for woman?

Seriosly - In the late 80's - early 90's - If you even suggested that a black woman should be twerkin' for bills...
You would have gotten' the living shit knocked out of you...

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Please, read the god damned thread before coming and dropping your YouTube links and generally nonsensical shit.

This thread is merely intended to find some understanding of a recent 'outburst' of a certain subject on several social media platforms. Nothing to do with "Fuck feminism" or any kind of bollocks that merits your response.

What do you even mean by hostile? What's hostile about twerking? Women choose to do it.
In fact, there are arguments which suggest that these kinds of things actually empower women.

collige · Post by **collige** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:30 am

Genevieve wrote:Society isn't becoming more hostile to women. Men are becoming less accepting of feminist bullshit and things have been getting more culturally hostile for everyone. In this day and age, 'oppression' is a lot more complicated than a lot of feminists would have you believe. It works on an individual basis and includes lifestyle choice, religion, financial status, mental health and a number of other things. Wealthy, straight, black people are less oppressed in society than poor, gay caucasians.

But society isn't structured in a way that it benefits men. On the contrary, women are the limiting factor in human reproduction. That one egg-cell per month is worth more and requires more resources than our millions of sperm. This is why female virginity (and sexuality) is glorified as something sacred and male virginity as something disposable. And politically, women have been asking for a lot of things that men have without facing the same individual responsibility. Neither women nor men had the vote for the longest time, when men finally got the vote, they were expected to give their life for their country, while this wasn't asked of women. And even an 18 year old boy who died in some French trench in WWI did not have the vote while the feminist movement was protesting the right to vote while not being expected to fight their wars.

And even now, boys are getting progressively worse grades at school while girls are getting better ones (So much focus on getting girls more interested in math, but who cares about boys, right?) and college degree women are on the rise while there's more male dropouts. Getting women to learn has come at the expense of men. Thanks "patriarchy"! So the paygap will probably a real thing soon with women actually earning more than men (they earn the same right now, except women tend to work less hours and usually also less demanding jobs, this is why more than 70% of all work related deaths happen to men... because this is a sexist society that hates women.. so it pushes men into jobs that could kill them more.. because we value men more.. or something). And what's with the feminist lobby getting 40% of all stimulus money during the recession to female dominated occupation fields... while 80% of all jobloss occurred in men dominated fields and how can you still claim that women are underrepresented

The list goes on. It's not a matriarchy, but we live in a society that serves and protects women. Most actual sexism against them is rooted in benevolence, not hatred. It's not justifiable, but to claim that sexism is symptomatic of a society structured for the well being of men is a lie. And if you want to adress that, talk to women about it, because statistically, most boys learn sexism from their mothers, not their dads. But most men know that from birth anyway, literally. Cuz crying girls get taken care of faster than crying baby boys are.

lovelydivot · Post by **lovelydivot** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:38 am

Excellent - I'm going back to the kitchen for my own safety now - Please lock the door behind me...
And see her for all your needs - It will be way more expensive - if at all - I assure you

- Thanks and goodnight.

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mIrReN · Post by **mIrReN** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:45 am

it's all because of the rappers and their misogynist lyrics

Jizz · Post by **Jizz** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:54 am

girls need to realize we're just taking the piss half the time lol, when feminism first occurred it was just a bunch of men making a joke about a woman working at an office. Its not like we enslaved you and threw fried chicken at your faces. Sure there might have been a time when you purposely got rejected cos of gender, but now all you gotta do is turn up to the interview with a see-through top and a wee bit of make-up, halfway there already. And thats the stupidity that should be examined today lol; thats not feminism or "looking smart", thats just you being a slut m8

a slut sucking on the dick of the Corporate System m8

hopefully I get to blow a good-looking guy when its my time

lovelydivot · Post by **lovelydivot** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:55 am

it's ok...

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pembroke · Post by **pembroke** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:14 am

I'd love to know how you feel about this?

lovelydivot · Post by **lovelydivot** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:43 am

(in a really high pitched squeaky voice)

Oh MY GOD !! He is so cheeky !! And rude - Montrell - STOP IT!!!

kittens

jesus

(in a gruff mans voice)

I can't wait for some new thinking options - because these old ones are so few and far in between
Us bitches just think the way we think and shit.

lovelydivot · Post by **lovelydivot** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:55 am

Montrell - Don't forget to sign in at the orthodontist - I'm waiting - Boy, you so crazy.

bigfootspartan · Post by **bigfootspartan** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:11 am

From what I gather it's gained a ton of momentum from this:

What I find most interesting about the whole thing is the prevalence of comments like "she should not have put them in this position by being drunk and passed out" by the same people who argue against Sharia law and the stoning of women who are raped. Ones obviously more extreme than the other, but is there really much difference in the sentiment?

lovelydivot · Post by **lovelydivot** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:18 am

I guess that is what Henry Rollins was trying to say in that thing he posted...

He wanted to know why - It was so difficult for these boys
To understand - that having sex with a falling down drunk girl was wrong.

Even if she was trying to consent - and had to ply herself with alcohol to do it...
Means she shouldn't be consenting.

It has nothing to do with how close you can write to the correct side of the law...
It shouldn't have been happening by a long shot.

but even after the deed - they still didn't give her a chance to handle her business
with even the slightest shred of dignity - because of all the texting of photos and such

- she couldn't not do something about it...because they were putting her SO FAR out there...

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