non djs downloading rip's

relaks · Post by **relaks** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:25 pm

so true. Liquid bread FTW

slim · Post by **slim** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:27 pm

I mostly got into dubstep through ripped mp3's, but started buying anything i could on CD shortly afterwards, and then got a USB-equipped turntable that allows me to convert my vinyl into mp3s.

I went on a bit of a "my name is earl"-style karmic shopping spree to pay off my illegal downloading, and am nearly square, reckon i still owe skream a bit of cash, but still haven't got his album so that should sort that out.

I do get annoyed at the way there isn't really a way of getting stuff you missed on vinyl in a cd / digital format for a lot of stuff, have been trying to get a legal high quality download of Bury The Bwoy for time, but no joy.

Downloading tracks from major artists i don't have a problem with (i still don't really do it though) , it is very hard to kill a scene when that person can sell out wembley, but in an underground scene like dubstep you are actually taking earned money away from producers / labels.

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:10 am

Funny how all this talk about being poverty stricken and not having money for turntables because you need groceries is being said in defense of people who would (by definition that they are downloading mp3s) have desktop computers and internet access...

oh to be poor in the digital age

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:15 am

no need for shitty rips on p2p's or whatever when theres the mixes part of the forum.. anyone getting into dubstep has hours and hours of listening pleasure happily for free right there or barefiles... thats how i started...

but i am dissapointed at the lack of CD albums being released.. apart from a couple of comps there isn't too much to be had.. i think this will change tho, and make a lot of dubstep listeneners happy, cuz at the moment its all about the DJ's

incyde · Post by **incyde** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:23 am

Yeah I do think to a certain extent P2Ping can be seen as free promotion/buzz marketing, so long as people support the artists eventually by buying vinyl, cds, compilations, and going to club nights. for the freeloaders, however, that is just not on.

The amount of filesharing can easily be helped by making the music available through digital purchases. though this is a slow process i think in due time most labels will be offering their catalogues in digital formats.

from another angle though, if theres tunes you're digging that are on vinyl and not available on any other format, just listen to it on a dj mix.

-usually sounds better when mixed anyway (and thats why the tunes are 4-5 minutes long)
-doesnt cost you anything
-supports the djs
-exposes you to other good tunes in the process!

incyde · Post by **incyde** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:30 am

Jolly Wailer wrote:Funny how all this talk about being poverty stricken and not having money for turntables because you need groceries is being said in defense of people who would (by definition that they are downloading mp3s) have desktop computers and internet access...

oh to be poor in the digital age

are you joking or being cynical?

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:06 am

neither... I'm pointing out the fact that if you can afford a computer and a monthly internet access bill you wouldn't exactly qualify as "poverty stricken"... surely you are choosing to put the extra cash you have into being wired up when the same money could just as easily go to a cheap table and a record or two purchased each month...

I realize alot of folks are short on cash but lets not get too far ahead of ourselves and say mp3s are for the "poverty stricken"... lets work on a national healthcare system for the poor before we get a p2p music-share going ok???...

most people downloading mp3s have the cash lets face it.. they download because they can, because its there and its free, and few people check their ethics about it.. if they had to buy because they had no other recourse and absolutely needed the tune be sure they would part ways with the money...

south3rn · Post by **south3rn** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:19 am

i'm lucky enough to be able to afford the internet and be able to buy a handful of records every few weeks

but i know people who rely on the internet for school (i do a lot of work on the internet) and paying for the internet is almost as crucial as paying the electric or gas bill. but even then, people could use their friends' computers to pirate tunes, whatever.

i'm just stating circumstances, i'm not trying to justify piracy by any means.

echo wanderer · Post by **echo wanderer** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:33 am

Deapoh wrote:I'm not sure how many people can actually say they have NEVER EVER downloaded a song before from the internet that they legally should have bought.

Tru dat!

No bollocks,but I personally know a few copyright lawyers who've admitted to me that they've dl'ed a tune or 10.Even a movie on occasion.I once met a woman who works at the MPAA in Washington DC who's told me she's got a few movies being ripped around that way by other employees.Since they have pretty much all access to every movie in the world,I wouldn't think it impossible for someone to be tempted to do so.

If even some people in the industry comitted to fighting piracy are doing it,then why all the lawsuits?

That MPAA chick was super hot,btw.I had someting for her to download.

dubzy · Post by **dubzy** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:54 am

i support all of you in the discussion, everyone's right
but my point of view is definately that if you can't afford you could download, i don't say you SHOULD because you can, but it helps both yourself and the artist (maybe in that way, if you're a bit retarded, or just a newcomer who knows about oink oslt, you will buy this vinyl next time you have the money)

and as we seen, there are plenty of people actually breaked in to this scene by d/l'ing ripped releases on the internet, im in the same way but sometimes i actually spend my last tenny on a 12"rrr if it's really good

but i'm still young and unfortunately in some ways, still live at home, but i get free food and some daily chatting with those i love most

skrumpo · Post by **skrumpo** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:20 am

very intresting points all round fank you all for posting your views

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:46 am

Mad, when i said i downloaded Kode9 and Skreams albums, way before i knew what Dubstep was, people didnt seem to understand why.

I personally dont think you should feel so bad about downloading music which is out of your current listening, and not on the radio or in shops so you can listen before paying.

For new and underground music, its deffo exposure. Making Mixtapes, sending people files or suggesting names of artists (knowing the person will only download) is a good way to introduce people to new music.

Whos paying for production software anyway?

madrpo · Post by **madrpo** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:05 pm

I kind of think you need to categorise the kinds of people who download ripped vinyl.

There are those who aren't DJ's and who listen to the tunes on their own PC's.

There are those the same as above who maybe also use DJ software and maybe do parties for friends etc

There are DJ's who use the downloads to play out

I would of said the 1st of the 3 is the only one not affecting record sales as they would never buy vinyl anyway.

I dont know.........do many DJ's use MP3's?

frebentos · Post by **frebentos** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:05 pm

incyde wrote:

from another angle though, if theres tunes you're digging that are on vinyl and not available on any other format, just listen to it on a dj mix.

-usually sounds better when mixed anyway (and thats why the tunes are 4-5 minutes long)
-doesnt cost you anything
-supports the djs
-exposes you to other good tunes in the process!

I totally agree incyde, if I hear something that is only released on vinyl I'll download a mix with it on and normally I'll hear about 10 other tunes that I want to get and hence try and hunt down a CD release.

I dont DJ, so I tend to buy as many CD's as I can. It is hard, and I wish labels brought out more stuff on digital format for the non-dj/record collecter.

I really need to buy a turntable...

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:48 pm

frebentos wrote:
incyde wrote:

from another angle though, if theres tunes you're digging that are on vinyl and not available on any other format, just listen to it on a dj mix.

-usually sounds better when mixed anyway (and thats why the tunes are 4-5 minutes long)
-doesnt cost you anything
-supports the djs
-exposes you to other good tunes in the process!
I totally agree incyde, if I hear something that is only released on vinyl I'll download a mix with it on and normally I'll hear about 10 other tunes that I want to get and hence try and hunt down a CD release.

I dont DJ, so I tend to buy as many CD's as I can. It is hard, and I wish labels brought out more stuff on digital format for the non-dj/record collecter.

I really need to buy a turntable...

I completely disagree, by your justification non vinyl buyers should be limited to only listen to the tunes they love in DJ mixes, thats madness. In my opinion labels who only release on vinyl are just being lazy, so i dont blame people for downloading rips at all..

do you mind me asking what cd's u mean? cos theres really not many out that arent mixes..

ekstrak · Post by **ekstrak** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:55 pm

I *exclusively* buy vinyl. Its the only format I'm interested in and my collection is my absolute pride and joy.

I have never, and likely never will, pay for a digital audio file. I see them purely as auditions for vinyl purchases. If I download something I like, I go buy it on wax.. if not I trash it. It really is as simple as that.

Without P2P networks I'd have to rely soley on record shops for auditioning music at full quality (or thereabouts) and I cant expect them to have back catalogue anything like that which can be found online.

As for someone who is selling records himself, I seriously do not mind people downloading and sharing my productions. It means *way* more people get to hear it and if they dont choose to buy it, I dont actually lose anything.. it is not like a 'thieved' record from a shop where physical product is lost.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:58 pm

Jolly Wailer wrote:I realize alot of folks are short on cash but lets not get too far ahead of ourselves and say mp3s are for the "poverty stricken"... lets work on a national healthcare system for the poor before we get a p2p music-share going ok???...

most people downloading mp3s have the cash lets face it.. they download because they can, because its there and its free, and few people check their ethics about it.. if they had to buy because they had no other recourse and absolutely needed the tune be sure they would part ways with the money...

I remember when people that stole music were crafty types with light-fingers, sly concealment skills and if all else failed good runners. Or incredibly intimidatory which can help.

Strange how it's now people that sit behind their computers all day who couldn't run for shit that are stealing more than a thousand of the old skool thieves would over a career.

Then again, why the fuck would you pay for a product that you can get a perfect reproduction of for nothing (ethics aside)?

frebentos · Post by **frebentos** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:18 pm

Bob Crunkhouse wrote:
frebentos wrote:
incyde wrote:

from another angle though, if theres tunes you're digging that are on vinyl and not available on any other format, just listen to it on a dj mix.

-usually sounds better when mixed anyway (and thats why the tunes are 4-5 minutes long)
-doesnt cost you anything
-supports the djs
-exposes you to other good tunes in the process!
I totally agree incyde, if I hear something that is only released on vinyl I'll download a mix with it on and normally I'll hear about 10 other tunes that I want to get and hence try and hunt down a CD release.

I dont DJ, so I tend to buy as many CD's as I can. It is hard, and I wish labels brought out more stuff on digital format for the non-dj/record collecter.

I really need to buy a turntable...
I completely disagree, by your justification non vinyl buyers should be limited to only listen to the tunes they love in DJ mixes, thats madness. In my opinion labels who only release on vinyl are just being lazy, so i dont blame people for downloading rips at all..

do you mind me asking what cd's u mean? cos theres really not many out that arent mixes..

I'm not saying that non vinyl users shoudl only be lmited to listen to tunes on mixes, im just sayign that if there is something I like that I cant get on CD then I will listen to on a mix.

I agree with you, as I said, I wish more releases came out on CD(as i havent and prob wont ever buy an mp3)but failing that I WILL download ripped vinyl.

The last 5 CD's I bought were;

Box of Dub
Burial - Burial
Boxcutter - Oneiric
Kode 9 & Spaceape - Memories of the future.
Dubstep Allstars Volume 4.

there is quite a lot out there , I generally use www.discogs.com, type the artists in and see if they have anything released on CD.

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26452

slim · Post by **slim** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:24 pm

shonky wrote: Then again, why the fuck would you pay for a product that you can get a perfect reproduction of for nothing (ethics aside)?

For me, because it is only a reproduction. It's probably naive and over-romancing what is essentially consumption of a product, but digital downloads are instant and substanceless. If you buy a physical copy, you have to either go out and buy it, or order it online and wait. You then get to actually hold it. It sounds mad, but i am from a generation of people downloading nearly all their music from torrents or p2p, and already i feel old for thinking that way.

Was looking through vinyl in HMV and a kid asked her mum what the big black things were, and she said "that's what people used to listen to music on a long time ago"

Made me think the poor kid is probably never going to have that enjoyment.

On a less airy-fairy note, someone i know got fined around 2 grand for illegal downloads, so that's a pretty good incentive.

roguedj · Post by **roguedj** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:05 pm

Parson wrote:i don't think downloading stuff you can't afford hurts the scene

wrong

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