can rick rubin save the music business?

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:01 am

those first 3 albums simultaneouosly boomed and doomed hiphop depending on who you speka to, the man has a pretty keen ear.

tha_illsta · Post by **tha_illsta** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:45 am

Quietmouse wrote:has he ever produced anything good

ONE OF THE BEST PRODUCERS THERE IS

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.

PERHAPS YOU AIN'T FEELING THE ARTISTS ON OCCASION,

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE AIN'T TALENTED.

HE IS DOUBTLESS ONE OF THE BEST PRODUCERS OUT THERE.

AND WHO ELSE HAS A BISON IN THEIR STUDIO!!!!

tha_illsta · Post by **tha_illsta** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:47 am

HOW ABOUT RUN-DMC AND JOHNNY CASH, FOR STARTERS????

SUPERB.

fushimi · Post by **fushimi** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:23 pm

I was unsure till I saw Mel C on the list. Now I'm convinced.

*grand* · Post by ***grand*** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:02 pm

articles pretty intresting, if anyone has anythng that may seem intresting pls post it

knowledge is power.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:09 pm

THA ILLSTA wrote:
AND WHO ELSE HAS A BISON IN THEIR STUDIO!!!!

haha!~

tha_illsta · Post by **tha_illsta** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:21 pm

seckle wrote:
THA ILLSTA wrote:
AND WHO ELSE HAS A BISON IN THEIR STUDIO!!!!
haha!~

Don't tell me you have one as well!!!!!

I WANT ONE!!!

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:44 pm

i respect rubin's ear and all but i heard his version of producing a tune is letting somebody else do it and then saying yeah or nah
is that true?

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:48 pm

Parson wrote:i respect rubin's ear and all but i heard his version of producing a tune is letting somebody else do it and then saying yeah or nah
is that true?

In the article he says that he doesn't fiddle w/ buttons at all, and doesn't really know his way around a sound board.

That's what you have engineers for!

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:05 pm

these are interesting:

linkin park and rick rubin. working with 6 different pro tools setups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StfG9ziY_Bk

jayz and rick rubin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh003Czlx3g

tacospheros · Post by **tacospheros** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:28 am

unklefesta wrote:
10,000,000 slayer fans will agree that rubin is trash

i dunno mang, he produced South of Heaven
and Seasons in the Abyss??? those 2 alone

parson · Post by **parson** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:26 am

i want rick rubin's job

step correct · Post by **step correct** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:45 pm

"Andrew Dice Clay"......lol

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:20 am

Parson wrote:i respect rubin's ear and all but i heard his version of producing a tune is letting somebody else do it and then saying yeah or nah
is that true?

when I went to recording arts school... (in 1991)

"letting somebody else do it and then saying yeah or nah"

was the definition of producer

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:20 pm

i think the most important part of a producer's job is their ears. it's invaluable to have someone with enough musical knowledge, to just be there to listen.

slow bicycle · Post by **slow bicycle** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:12 pm

unklefesta wrote:
when I went to recording arts school... (in 1991)

"letting somebody else do it and then saying yeah or nah"

was the definition of producer

It still is, according to my Recording Engineering prof. A producers job can be as involved or detached as the individual producer. Some of them just put up the money, some of them write all the songs. People like Dre and Timbaland blur the line, but even they have teams of engineers working under them.

dj 3man · Post by **dj 3man** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:00 pm

"Reign in Blood" best metal album of all time..... He's good in my books.

Public Enemy.....they got me started way back when to actually go out and start buying hip hop music in 6th grade.

If it wasn't for this guy, where would I be? The shit wouldn't be the same if it wasn't for him. We all might be listening to something else, and would not have had many of the masterpiece albums he has put out.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:14 pm

Yeah, being a 'producer' doesn't mean anybody sat in their bedroom on whatever computer sequencer is one. It means you are employed to sit on a cosy couch at the back of the mixing room and relay your 'vision' to the mix engineer(s) as well as managing the project. You might occasionally wander up to the mix board and fuck things over from time to time.

Yep, there are those who blur the line, but I think you'd have to at least put out an album or two for a band (client) where you didn't push a single button or play an instrument/sing before you can lay claim to being a producer proper.

geiom · Post by **geiom** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:55 am

For sure you don't have to get technical as a producer when we are talking about folk like Rick Rubin.

It can be really important to have someone there who is not too involved in the 'nuts and bolts' and can give some perspective.

But it always amazes me that sometimes 1 person in a room with maybe just a laptop can produce music that is better than some of the big budget artists with a whole army of studio boffins/producers etc.

having said that if I ever get rich I will be on the phone to someone like Quincy Jones in a flash !

The credits on big projects crack me up sometimes - the new Bjork album says on one track -

'Timbaland - triggering pre-recorded percussion loop'

- Just the one loop ? and does that mean he didn't even create the loop ? maybe they e-mailed it to him and then sat him at a keyboard?

and then they have to credit Jimmy Douglas for 'engineering the session' (pretty much just pressing record in this case i suspect)

I got a lot of respect for Timbaland but he does seem to have lost the plot over the years....

btw the Bjork album is amazing - if you like Bjork. Also the vinyl comes in some ridiculous but excellent packaging.

thesynthesist · Post by **thesynthesist** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:32 pm

There are two words that invalidate this conversation, not to mention Rick Rubin's assumed "claim" of bringing Hip Hop to the mainstream....

Bill....

Laswell....

Suck on that Rolling Stone!!

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