Views on the Grime scene in North America... (or elsewhere)

thesynthesist · Post by **thesynthesist** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:18 am

Shit, you Brits got The Streets....

How could the US possible contend with that?

thesynthesist · Post by **thesynthesist** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:29 am

You guys can have Grime...

We have the best weed.

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:46 am

jera wrote:would be funny to hear sum yank tryin to spit bars in an english accent

haha

exactly why I love dubstep so much

I could never find a proper grime emcee for all them tunes I was makin

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:48 am

classagraphics wrote: love grime, but somebody gotta learn to flow. - ya dig

Well i've been listening to Hip Hop since about 1984 and i would have to say some of the Uk stuff can easely stand up to the best US stuff. Even the more underground US stuff seems pretty pedestian in comparison to the UK boys.
Also it's not really fair comparing the 2 disaplines really. It's not as if grime is the uk eqivalent of Hip Hop anyway. Yes there are similarities but, it's not the same.

Vice T · Post by **Vice T** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:56 pm

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=18137

Bad record straight out of NYC.

TEAM SHADETEK all the way.

evol g · Post by **evol g** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:29 am

jera wrote:
any 1 got any audio...im up for a good laugh

He may not have a UK accent, but he rips it, Damien Noir...

http://myspace.com/therealdamiennoir

A short freestyle preview of what's to come over a JME beat.

crazydave · Post by **crazydave** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:41 am

SysEx wrote:http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=18137

Bad record straight out of NYC.

TEAM SHADETEK all the way.

I see what you mean.

If you take the beats and the overall vibe you can make it grime... just think about the difference between UKG and UKHH. Subtle.

jera · Post by **jera** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:50 am

metalboxproducts wrote:It's not as if grime is the uk eqivalent of Hip Hop anyway. Yes there are similarities but, it's not the same.

really gets 2 me when u read an article on grime n it presents it as "the uks version of hip hop".....NO!This isn't brits tryin 2 do grime its!!Its brits doin OUR thing!OUR sound!

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:13 am

SysEx wrote:http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=18137

Bad record straight out of NYC.

TEAM SHADETEK all the way.

yeah man, matt shadetek makes grime, and he's absolutely sick. at the same time it's difficult to talk about grime as a global thing (as one might do dubstep) in light of the madness over the last week, and the fact that it did happen - and could only have happened - in london.

it's great of course that thanks to the internet everyone outside of london can be a part of it too. (for those don't know check our blog for links to the nutsss four nights of clashes since the weekend.)

prisoner · Post by **prisoner** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:40 am

gimme a break you guys....

it's not that different from hip hop.

lyrics/beats/struggle/violence/parties/etc...

i mean i know it's different, but it aint like grime's reinvented the wheel or anything...

(not trying to hate either)

classagraphics · Post by **classagraphics** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:12 am

i agree the music is different, i was more talking about the lyrical ability of mcs in grime and us rap mcs. and if grime mcs are really trying to do their own thing, they're stilling doing it to a beat. maybe it has to do with them having to spit faster than rap mcs, but i find in general that their flow, or method of deliery, is not with the beat as much as it is in us rap.
and some cats in grime can flow, don't get me wrong, but even the best get iffy too often on the mic, and i'm not even talking about live shows. (since i feel that for grime the live thing is a vital element)

mshadetek · Post by **mshadetek** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:14 am

I do make grime, and have made 'real' grime tunes with Jammer, Skepta etc. I also produced Brooklyn Anthem which I'd say has a pretty stron claim to 'the first american grime record'. If you want to argue why I'd say it's because it's made by people who listen to grime, is 140 bpm and uses a one line double time flow. However, I don't think that Grime as it exists now will ever go anywhere major in the states. What has to happen is that the kids here digest it and spit out their own NY thing. I'm working on it now, watch for my new group Iron Shirt with 77Klash and Jahdan. Bigup to Dev79 and Starkey as well, real US grime soldiers who've been down from day dot.

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:04 am

i got a tune comin out on The Independents sometime soon that features half-step beat and an american on the double-time flow

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:20 am

Most modern music consists of beats bars and lyrics. It depends on how much you wonna reduce it down to similarities.

prisoner wrote:lyrics/beats/struggle/violence/parties/etc...

You could as easily be talking about the blues or even Opera.
getmeh

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:28 am

metalboxproducts wrote:Most modern music consists of beats bars and lyrics. It depends on how much you wonna reduce it down to similarities.

prisoner wrote:lyrics/beats/struggle/violence/parties/etc...

You could as easily be talking about the blues or even Opera.
getmeh

That prisoner quote pretty much sums up West Side Story doesn't it

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:36 am

probably shouldn't have made this post in light of the shadetek camp productions.. wasn't really thinking of brooklyn anthem when I made this post - as well as the other bits, massive envelop pushing forward thinking heat going on here

quotage:

"""what are those Shadetek kids on?? .... yet another example of the new school of NYC hip hop producers blowing the bloated old jacks out of the water..."""

el carnicero · Post by **el carnicero** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:01 pm

look at the Slit Jockey mixtape released in January 2006 to see US producers with grime MCs:

Starkey with Kano and Ghetto on the Leak Riddim
Starkey with Sniper E on Revolve Riddim
Dev79 with Ghetto on Clean South Riddim and Gullyish Riddim
Dev79 with Riko on Snapper Riddim
El Carnicero with Riko on Mosquito Riddim
El Carnicero with Sneakz on North Side Ting

We just dropped a digital EP on Slit Jockey featuring Warrior Queen and another version of Mosquito Riddim with Faction G, and a tune with up and comer Tiny Bee.

-A

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:14 pm

Of course grime can exist and thrive in NA. Hip Hop came over to england and caught slowly untill it became an accepted genre and culture.

Forgetting that Grime can be instrumental aswell, emcees don't have to use a London accent or talk about topics related to London life. If Manchester artists can make grime which is relevent to life in Manchester, New York obviously can. It all just depends on people accepting it and taking it on board.

Sounds like Americans talking about British Hip Hop to me.

P.S. Isnt there 4 Grime emcees in the BET's UK Hip Hop award, Wiley, Leathal, Dizzee, Sway. Seems like the majority of people think Grimes just Hip Hop anyway.

paolo · Post by **paolo** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:47 am

Didn't people used to say back in the late 70s/early 80s that 'real' hip hop could only come from New York? I might be wrong but I think I heard that somewhere. I don't think that 'non-british grime' is an oxymoron. Get me blud?

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