wolf89 wrote:
ow the fuck is phonica still open and employing three people behind the counter to serve a busy store if that isn't the case?
I dont even know what two of them even DO! I felt like I was getting in the way of their chats about anything an everything by asking for records the last 3 or 4 times ive been in.
wolf89 wrote:
ow the fuck is phonica still open and employing three people behind the counter to serve a busy store if that isn't the case?
I dont even know what two of them even DO! I felt like I was getting in the way of their chats about anything an everything by asking for records the last 3 or 4 times ive been in.
Yeah actually. I've been stood their with a stack off expensive techno records holding my card and they just wander around talking and not doing anything.
Always found the difference when comparing digital to vinyl quiet phenomenal tbh. When I've checked matures out before doing full releases the vinyl always sounds way better than the digital files. You actually get a sense of dynamics instead of a flat constant sound. And vinyl has a better bass response, which has been noted in numerous threads over the years.
orangeluva56 wrote:i buy vinyl so i can remember what music i liked 30-40 years from now. my hard drive isn't gonna survuve that long. having a physical copy just feels so much better than a file you see on a screen.
yes. make that 50 years easy.
& great rationale for vinyl wolfie
mind DJHype makes it clear he loves vinyl but as a pro there are obvious drawbacks
and that's why I so appreciate the guys in Sydney & on here who aren't trying to be commercailly successful
but dig the dubstep culture & playing it out even if it means taking a hit to the pocket
true trogs that are the soul of the underground
big up DJ Hype, he's a legend and makes a good argument. agree that vinyl is totally impractical for travelling Djs.
does piss me off when people try and tar vinyl collectors as pretentious tho.
Which is why I prefer vinyl. Not because of the warmth, covers etc, it's just more functional. Tons of EPs that I like don't get digital releases and no one will rip them. Dozens of vinyl in my Hardwax cart, Discogs and Soulseek wishlist that I won't find on CD or mp3.
I simply couldn't play a proper set without vinyl rips or real wax. There's just not enough music on the Internet.
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orangeluva56 wrote:i buy vinyl so i can remember what music i liked 30-40 years from now. my hard drive isn't gonna survuve that long. having a physical copy just feels so much better than a file you see on a screen.
Yeah for sure. I already own records that are 50 years old already too. I keep really good care of my records too so there's no reason that it won't last that long again. I don't know how much of the made in a laptop and thrown up for sale on juno download will still be about in 100 years.
This is again getting off topic from the actual music itself and I'm not saying it makes vinyl the best but I've got stuff like old soul records with "To {some woman's name], to remind you of all the good times" written on it. There's something I like about seeing that. I mean firstly the actual act of giving someone a record like that is something that's not gonna be the same as sending a zip file or burning a cdr and secondly I now own this record 40 years on knowing that it has a history and meant a lot to someone else before I got hold of it.
Starting with the proviso that I generally like the idea of vinyl and have just started a little collection, it does strike me that vinyl tends to be biggest within whichever scenes are most achingly cool at a given time... a few years ago Dubstep was all about vinyl exclusives and all the four-to-the-floor kids had moved to CDJs and Serato... fast-forward a couple of years and the Techno DJs are playing vinyl out whilst the now remarkably unhip Dubsteppers download from Bleep.
Sound is sound - I've had my internal organs shaken by mp3s and I've (recently) watched vinyl DJs sound thin and tinny. The delivery method is really down to personal taste. I like the idea of holding a tune in my hand similarly to holding a book rather than a Kindle... it lends a story to the tune as an object; it's had previous owners, it's been played at parties, it might've made someone fall in love... you don't get that kind of personality from a binary file; but I honestly don't believe anyone but the most anal audiophile could pass the Pepsi Challenge if it came down to pure sound V sound. Binary files also don't degrade - yeah, that record might last 50 years, but it won't sound brand new in 50 years. The mp3s that I made as a 15 year old sound *identical* 16 years on.
tl;dr Just make yourself happy for your own reasons.
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magma wrote:Starting with the proviso that I generally like the idea of vinyl and have just started a little collection, it does strike me that vinyl tends to be biggest within whichever scenes are most achingly cool at a given time... a few years ago Dubstep was all about vinyl exclusives and all the four-to-the-floor kids had moved to CDJs and Serato... fast-forward a couple of years and the Techno DJs are playing vinyl out whilst the now remarkably unhip Dubsteppers download from Bleep.
Sound is sound - I've had my internal organs shaken by mp3s and I've (recently) watched vinyl DJs sound thin and tinny. The delivery method is really down to personal taste. I like the idea of holding a tune in my hand similarly to holding a book rather than a Kindle... it lends a story to the tune as an object; it's had previous owners, it's been played at parties, it might've made someone fall in love... you don't get that kind of personality from a binary file; but I honestly don't believe anyone but the most anal audiophile could pass the Pepsi Challenge if it came down to pure sound V sound. Binary files also don't degrade - yeah, that record might last 50 years, but it won't sound brand new in 50 years. The mp3s that I made as a 15 year old sound *identical* 16 years on.
tl;dr Just make yourself happy for your own reasons.
Yeah Im of a similar train of thought really. I like both, "play" both. mp3 is way more disposable, Ive had my hard drive crap out and when I restored I had broken tunes that I just couldn't be fucked to re-download where as I really make sure I want a vinyl before I buy it and then Im like a little kid when it arrives .
Also being able to go to a friends and dig through their record pile is way more fun than their traktor collection.
Mp3 is a degradation of the sound already though. It's a lossy format. Yeah I know It won't get worse but still. It's pointless now to use Mp3
Also I have been able to identify vinyl consistently in a double blinded test (and not from crackley sounds or anything). a lot does come down to the quality of the master amd pressing as well though. I would take well mastered cd over a vinyl pressing where no one had any idea what they were doing making it.
Anyway saying sound is sound makes no sense. A record through my nice cartridges, amp and speakers is going to sound considerably different to a low bit rate Mp3 on my cdj. I mean that's being obvious but even playing a record through my mixer first rather than straight into my amp makes it sound shitty.
Upgrading my cartridges on my decks has made a huge difference too
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I felt like I was getting in the way of their chats about anything an everything by asking for records the last 3 or 4 times ive been in.
