If you can make one thing illegal...

[kay]

I would make inconsideration illegal.

[rorz9992]

Women drivers

lol j/k
I would probably ban alcohol just to piss people off

[DiegoSapiens]

you want al capone back?^

[magma]

bladiblablabbladibla

your attempt to tell me about your history to increase your credibility..is a little sad in this case i have to be honest but wait a moment here.. small websites don't cost any money in terms of hosting and "traffic costs" so no one needs to pay to join a new website, when there is enough demand which requires more advanced servers to pay for there will either be paying or donating members (or alternative ways depending on the type of website), or the demand goes down again till there is no need for an real server and it will be back to a small ran website with no cost again.

Tell me how these small websites are run for "no money"? The last time I checked "free hosting" was paid for by advertising. In what world do only "advanced servers" cost money to make? You realise that even Geocities have to pay for actual hardware somehow, right? They do it by inserting adverts onto all their "free" websites.

and start up capital for a website..?? the internet isn't made out of facebooks.. surely you know about the amount of websites which started as nothing and simply became massive because of the demand right? the amount of websites that require a real capital or hell even a bank investment is something(that doesn't happen a lot in the first place compared to all the websites which are set up daily by regular every day people for the love of it) called a business and if their only income is actual advertising(which i doubt it is) then obviously yes making advertising illegal will kill those.. but saying the internet will die is a bit over the top don't you reckon?

Everything needs money at some point. The companies that provide that free hosting are paying for it by advertising - they're not charities! Where do you think they get the servers, bandwidth and datacentre space from? I mean, honestly... are you serious?!

The amount people do for a little bit of recognition... the whole open source community.. i assume these will also die off without the flashy banners at the top?

Unless they move away from free-hosting backed by advertising (SourceForge or almost anywhere else for example), they'd have to find their own funding either via private investment or the tax payer/government. Value can't be created from thin air - all websites have to sit on a server and use an internet connection and those have to be paid for somehow.

on that note I don't even see a banner at DSF currently so what does that mean?

Probably that you're running an ad blocker or your work firewall blocks them like my work does.

It's quite simple really and certainly not worth these insults and your strange attempt at goading me via PM a few days ago that I only just noticed. I think you should probably learn to pick your arguments better... I won't get into a flame war, but I will make you look pretty stupid if you give me this much room to.

[Phase Down]

i don't have a firewall, don't have an adblocker.. (work from home)

why do you go on about free hosting services geocities and sourceforge ? you automatically jump to stuff which is based on advertising, its a bit silly really.. I did not say it was free but you do realize you can get hosting for any small/medium website for a max of $5 per month? you are truly delusional lol you and you're private investment or tax payer government for websites??? which era do you live in?? i usually agree with your thoughts but sometimes you make me think your a bit of a caveman, also love the little "i will make you look stupid on an internet forum" touch by the way

[magma]

i don't have a firewall, don't have an adblocker.. (work from home)

why do you go on about free hosting services geocities and sourceforge ? you automatically jump to stuff which is based on advertising, its a bit silly really.. I did not say it was free but you do realize you can get hosting for any small/medium website for a max of $5 per month? you are truly delusional lol you and you're private investment or tax payer government for websites??? which era do you live in?? i usually agree with your thoughts but sometimes you make me think your a bit of a caveman, also love the little "i will make you look stupid on an internet forum" touch by the way

Last time I checked $5 a month wasn't free. It also might be chump change to a 1st worlder, but it's 5 full days wages in a lot of the world; at any rate, it most certainly isn't "free"!

And where do those $5 deals come from? They're almost all backed by a profit making Hosting Company subsidising their service through advertising. The more you pay, the less you have to compromise. Advertising, again, is perfect because the sites pull in more money the more traffic they use. I can't think of a more appropriate funding model for the Internet and by the sounds of it, neither can you.

If you can show me a place on the Internet where you can host a free website without it making money somehow for the people who're giving you it "for free" (usually through advertising) then I'll eat my e-hat.

I'm not delusional, a caveman or from another era, just correct. Take away advertising and the shortfall will have to be paid for another way - either private investment (and that $5/month is private investment) or from the taxpayer. It's not even opinion, just maths. Where is this non-private, non-public money that we can all supposedly pay for hosting with?

Edit: I also never said the Internet would "die" without advertising; I said a lot of current websites would die in their current form. You seem to think I was being more sensationalist than I ever intended, which might be why you've decided this is worth continuing. Everyone else seemed to be able to understand the argument that it would contain markedly less non-profitable, hobbyist sites due to the need for higher private investment and/or government funding. I'd be surprised if a site like this would find a way to continue without charging membership... and I'd be surprised if many more managed to start up as you'd need to cultivate the community before anyone was willing to pay a subscription. Saying the "Internet will die" is ridiculous; the Internet will never die, but it will evolve and we should be very careful how we manage that. Advertising has been a pretty good solution so far... we shouldn't jump to burn it down just because we found our older brother's copy of Rant in E Minor.

I can't help you on your technical issue seeing Dubstepforum's banners. There's one from ads.dubstepforum.com on my page right now being blocked by my work firewall.

[Phase Down]

you are correct in this... $5 a month is not free.... well done..

just to answer a few of your concerns, you can get decent* hosting for $2-3, so yea big chump of change right there... you want to call that a private investment? come on do you also say you are going to dip into your private investment when buying a drink? these amounts are not private investments. if you want to run a website and can't spare a few dollars a month then its probably best you dont, luckily there are enough people in this world who are prepared to pay to have their website online, and they will continue to do so with or without advertising, it is a service and you pay for the service.. pretty simple, are you saying to me the majority of the internet's websites is based on making profit now?

where do the $5 deals come from? competition between businesses buying computers and being able to make a profit at selling us a share of the computer to host our files on, OMG advertising is involved! that must mean without advertising $5 deals would be atleast $100 deals!

you did however agreed that most of the internet would die off without advertising, yes that is not the "whole" internet but a big claim to make when the internet is made out of hobbyist websites, thanks for agreeing with me however saying the internet will die is ridiculous, i knew you would come back to me with a sensible answer.

About the technical issue, I used to see them so I am assuming they don't have any advertisers running at the moment, just because ads.dubstepforum.com is trying to connect to you does not me they have advertisings running, the code which handles the advertisings is still there, there just is no image or actual advertisement attached to it, unless I am not seeing the ad for another one of many reasons.

also here is some free hosting, without advertising: http://www.biz.nf/ even get a free domain with it. feel free to set up a free non profit hobbyist website without it making money, I suspect they make money because people upgrade to payed plans, here's your e hat so you can eat it

*define decent

[magma]

you are correct in this... $5 a month is not free.... well done..

just to answer a few of your concerns, you can get decent* hosting for $2-3, so yea big chump of change right there... you want to call that a private investment?

Err, yes, of course I do. It's money from private hands being used for profit no matter how small it is. All those $5s add up to make incredibly profitable businesses for the hosting companies.

Since we've already established that a lot of the world exist on $1/day your 1st world definitions of cheap are entirely irrelevant. The beauty of the Internet in it's present form is that ANYONE young, old, rich or poor can have a voice. Take away advertising and fail to replace it with an alternative and that will reduce if not stop entirely. Of course alternatives can be found; I strongly believe they wouldn't be as effective and dynamic as advertising though.

come on do you also say you are going to dip into your private investment when buying a drink?

No, I say I'm going to buy a drink... I'm the end user in that transaction. Do you really need to make this debate sillier than you already have by diverting down irrelevant logical alleyways?

these amounts are not private investments. if you want to run a website and can't spare a few dollars a month then its probably best you dont

See my first response in this reply. The last thing I want is an Internet that thinks like this... do you really believe that only the financially able should be able to have a presence online? Would that be a bit... rubbish?

where do the $5 deals come from? competition between businesses buying computers and being able to make a profit at selling us a share of the computer to host our files on, OMG advertising is involved! that must mean without advertising $5 deals would be atleast $100 deals!

Right, so:

profit making Hosting Company subsidising their service through advertising

What are you adding to this? That subsidy has to come from somewhere - sure, with modern datacentres and virtualisation it doesn't cost anywhere near the entire cost of a server to run a website... but there's still a cost; and if we want to allow people onto the web who have something to contribute but no money, I don't believe there's a better option.

you did however agreed that most of the internet would die off without advertising

I said most websites would die off left in their current form. Obviously most existing websites would find a way to adapt (I assume this one would start charging for membership) - the real difference is that it'd be difficult to get something like this website off the ground without the immediate liquidity of advertising.

also here is some free hosting, without advertising: http://www.biz.nf/ even get a free domain with it. feel free to set up a free non profit hobbyist website without it making money, I suspect they make money because people upgrade to payed plans, here's your e hat so you can eat it

Well done. Now actually find something I asked for:

If you can show me a place on the Internet where you can host a free website without it making money somehow for the people who're giving you it "for free" (usually through advertising) then I'll eat my e-hat

From what I can see, the free packages are just there to entice people onto the paid packages. Did you think that first crack rock was "free" too? Also, the fact that very few hosts use this business model suggests pretty strongly that for whatever reason, advertising makes more immediate sense to most companies.



Tbh, I'm really just struggling to see why you're so worked up about this and why it was worth sending me a PM to make sure it was drawn out into an argument. Lazslo's the person I was disagreeing with and that conversation was over within a few hours having agreed to disagree on a few things and agree on a few others - you seem absolutely determined to find something to argue with me about, so much so that with each response you change the rules everso slightly so I have to provide another. Then when I don't bother to respond, you send me a PM goading for another. In actual fact, we both seem to agree that if advertising disappeared something would have to replace it; it's just that you believe a comparable replacement is easier to find than I do - is there really any point in continuing?!

[Laszlo]

[magma]

Apologies for taking your name in vain, m'lord.

[Laszlo]

I mean, shit, it was just a happy-go-lucky thread and I dislike ads so I thought to myself "hmm, a world without ads... wonderful".

Now look where we are, people threatening to eat e hats and all sorts

[magma]

We could've just had a nice chat about the Sopranos.

[Terpit]

tldr, who's winning?

[Laszlo]

The advertising industry

[magma]

[Genevieve]

^ I would make her extremely flat ass illegal.

I'm not that judgemental about a woman's looks usually, but I'm really overly offended by a big ol' flat pancake ass. It seriously ruins my mood for at least 10 seconds. It's kind of odd how angry I get

[wub]

^ I would make her extremely flat ass illegal.

I'm not that judgemental about a woman's looks usually, but I'm really overly offended by a big ol' flat pancake ass. It seriously ruins my mood for at least 10 seconds. It's kind of odd how angry I get

Look at her from the front if it's an issue.

[kidshuffle]

i too would like to see a ban on flat asses

it's like they've gotten a toilet seat implanted in thurr

[Genevieve]

^ I would make her extremely flat ass illegal.

I'm not that judgemental about a woman's looks usually, but I'm really overly offended by a big ol' flat pancake ass. It seriously ruins my mood for at least 10 seconds. It's kind of odd how angry I get

Look at her from the front if it's an issue.

Only really dig her face.

[titchbit]

her tits doe.