kode9/death of rave thing

[lovelydivot]

...you see that!?? Dead OUT

Just ride a dick in public if you're THAT hardcore. Ride multiple dicks...


puts headphones back on - subway door closes...transcience
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[lovelydivot]

I remember - seeing this girl at a rave - get fingerbanged on the dancefloor by two guys - in a sandwich...

And my best friend and I were going from room to room - and we were both like...
"Isn't it amazing how everyone is moving around like electrical impulses on the inside of a computer motherboard..."

- and then we see fingerbanging - and we were just like - shocked and astonished...


It did absolutly nothing for our drugs or experience except give us a complex...
it wasn't cute - and it wasn't liberating.


Why didn't they just go to a hotel and fuck?

They had to cramp up my heady experience like that - with thoughts of sweaty vagina funk...mixed with heroin and vomit.



I swear - That was as close to getting AIDS as I've ever been.

[abs]

rave is not dead, i went to loads when i left school, in fields and a handfull in warehouses, heard lots of good music, they still do them all the time.

it's only when dubstep came out and all these pretentious journos started interviewing burial and putting words in his mouth, making everything seem really hazy and crackly with the warm etherial ambience of a decaying pirate radio air horn in a deserted london alley way etc.. pricks, probably never been to a rave.

[jrkhnds]

rave thing will not be die if vuvlvavibrations keep doing his savage raves under bridges

wait. you're swiss? we might know each other. happy days.

[DiegoSapiens]

haha sorry m8 i´m not swiss...
but i´ve seen crazy photos of people raving like tru heads and fighting the police
i would love to go to one of them

[Harkat]

rave is not dead, i went to loads when i left school, in fields and a handfull in warehouses, heard lots of good music, they still do them all the time.

it's only when dubstep came out and all these pretentious journos started interviewing burial and putting words in his mouth, making everything seem really hazy and crackly with the warm etherial ambience of a decaying pirate radio air horn in a deserted london alley way etc.. pricks, probably never been to a rave.

I think you're too right man, dubstep did not need getting wanked over by as many bloggers as it did...gave it too much of a cool value too pretentious nerds who are nerdy in all the worst ways. Look at the top posts on r/realdubstep, they're all cringeworthy burial masturbation...look at the top comments on any classic dubstep tunes on youtube...

[lovelydivot]

...the analogy doesn't really work well with that story in particular...
...considering that fingerbang episode happened sort of - full on rave era...

...before white kids started acting like mysogynistic booty gangsters...



...has nothing to do with music - has to do with rahtid scene...

[lovelydivot]

I didn't get the suffocating "hive" experience till really late in my rave career...

One night at Shampoo in Philadelphia - was just an annoying bumble fuck...

It was such a chore just to get anywhere - not fun.



The parking lot was more fun.

[jorge]

rave is not dead, i went to loads when i left school, in fields and a handfull in warehouses, heard lots of good music, they still do them all the time.

it's only when dubstep came out and all these pretentious journos started interviewing burial and putting words in his mouth, making everything seem really hazy and crackly with the warm etherial ambience of a decaying pirate radio air horn in a deserted london alley way etc.. pricks, probably never been to a rave.

I dont think the talk is about actual raves more the ideal of musical forwardness that was part of it in the earlier days. I dont think they class dubstep as part of rave, kode 9 says the cut off is just after grime i think. Simon reynolds also doesnt think much of dubstep and seems to think that the wobbly stuff is truer to the idea of rave.

yeah raves still happen all the time tho i was at one up in the woods a few weeks ago, music was pretty poor tho

[abs]

I dont think the talk is about actual raves more the ideal of musical forwardness that was part of it in the earlier days. I dont think they class dubstep as part of rave, kode 9 says the cut off is just after grime i think. Simon reynolds also doesnt think much of dubstep and seems to think that the wobbly stuff is truer to the idea of rave.

yeah raves still happen all the time tho i was at one up in the woods a few weeks ago, music was pretty poor tho

so if i understand correctly, kode thinks rave, up untill grime happened, was a kind of place for musical innovation? but after say, 2004 for example, things got stale in terms on what was being played? i mean, did he even go raving that much around then?

i agree in a way, but then raves were different everywhere you went, the real big ones were mostly pushing that hard european techno sound, and a lot of them were playing on the whole spiral tribe image and feel.. down in devon the music was prime though, i first heard dubstep at a free party in 2005 in devon.

[lovelydivot]

I'd say musical innovation took a serious nose dive @97-98...

Not saying that all music sucked after that - but it fell off in a big way...

I personally didn't get any of the UK garage -
I'm assuming it was just in the UK and select urban spots that I wasn't privy to...

and I wouldn't have gotten Dubstep if it wasn't for the Junglist crossover...


but I did - so there was no continuity break in good music for me....

but it is different now - It was very diluted there for a minute
with the influx of people making jokes out of everything...lots of re-hash


I still have no problem finding extremely good music to listen to...
It just isn't connected to a co-hesive scene anymore.

That's just me though.

[lovelydivot]

You know - "Electronica" has been around for a long, long time...techno-pop

I'm going off on a tangent now...BUT

I heard this one day in the Starbucks on 15th and Locust in Philly...
and just by the luck of weird architectural retro fit...
The sound system in there was fucking incredible...

I was fucking raving to Talking Heads with my Vanilla Mocha...lol

so whatever - rave on

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[lovelydivot]

....and then I was going to these - retro funk - parties at Silk City...

and they had a stage with black stripper girls dressed up as cats
- posing on barstools in front of blaxsploitation films...
so you would see guys pointing guns at you from behind the cat girls
- and car chases and wrecks and stuff...

and I knew times were completely different - It was not forward...
but it was still a good time...


Well, the music was good - it was an ok time - everyday kinda shit...
have a couple of drinks - be home by 2 for work the next morning type stuff...

hellcats...

[AxeD]

Why would dubstep have anything to do with it?

Sure if you look at it through dub-glasses it's either gonna suck, be shoegaze or it's Vivek. You can't judge
whether rave is dead on those terms.

[ultraspatial]

innovation always takes a nose dive once producer boys get into it (think techstep or dungeon) imo; more preoccupied with sounds rather than vibes. Not saying good music doesn't come out of it though. And like others mentioned before, you could probably blame journalists/blogs/magazines with their constant search for the hip new thing too; new thing comes along -> gets endless amounts of hype -> loads of people jump on it -> gets boring and stale in 2 months. I also hate the pretentious air sorrounding ''good'' club music (''i listen to REAL *genre*'') + making a big deal out of formats, like releasing a vinyl only single is some big ''oh i'm saving rave'' statement - which i personally view as retro fetishizm in some cases when it's clear that people are just using it as an image to sale, like somehow the format is more important than the actual music.