Logic vs Cubase vs Fl Studio etc

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:35 pm

what is the best and why??

martello · Post by **martello** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:56 pm

wrong question...lets ask "advantages and disadvantages of ..." or what is best for doing what

phuboy · Post by **phuboy** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:57 am

Personally, (mind you, I;m quite drunk whilst typing this) I prefer Cubases. I fucking hate logic, as a PC user, and fruitylooops just pisses me off.

i dunno why, just uised it for ages.

cryptic · Post by **cryptic** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:44 am

IN NO ORDER

FRUITY LOOPS - BRILLIANT FOR SAMPLES AND DOING QUICK IDEAS. HAS A BRILLIANT DRUM MACHINE.

CUBASE/LOGIC - BETTER FOR MORE DETAIL/MIDI/HARDWARE AND MIXING DOWN!

I JUST WISH LOGIC AND CUBASE HAD A SAMPLE BROWSER LIKE FRUITY LOOPS, THE CLICK AND DRAG IS BRILLIANT! I KNOW YOU CAN DRAG STUFF INTO CUBASE/LOGIC, BUT ITS NOT THE SAME HAS HAVING THE BROWSER OPEN INSIDE YOUR SOFTWARE

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:01 am

CRYPTIC wrote:IN NO ORDER

FRUITY LOOPS - BRILLIANT FOR SAMPLES AND DOING QUICK IDEAS. HAS A BRILLIANT DRUM MACHINE.

CUBASE/LOGIC - BETTER FOR MORE DETAIL/MIDI/HARDWARE AND MIXING DOWN!

I JUST WISH LOGIC AND CUBASE HAD A SAMPLE BROWSER LIKE FRUITY LOOPS, THE CLICK AND DRAG IS BRILLIANT! I KNOW YOU CAN DRAG STUFF INTO CUBASE/LOGIC, BUT ITS NOT THE SAME HAS HAVING THE BROWSER OPEN INSIDE YOUR SOFTWARE

thanks

cryptic · Post by **cryptic** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:22 am

From what ive heard, fruity loops has a weaker sound engine. So your best rendering each mixer track into audio and slamming it into pro tools or cubase.

Rewire is also an option (bearing you have lots of cpu)

Can anyone clear up the sound engine quality difference rumour in fruity loops is weaker then other leading programs?

I do think it is weaker in my ears, but im no sound engineer.

It could just be the samples you use!

auan · Post by **auan** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:25 pm

Can't Fruity be loaded as a VSTi?

djake · Post by **djake** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:00 pm

fruity loops i love dat program, but cant bare the automation, spins me out way to much

roqqert · Post by **roqqert** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:14 pm

CRYPTIC wrote:
Can anyone clear up the sound engine quality difference rumour in fruity loops is weaker then other leading programs?

I do think it is weaker in my ears, but im no sound engineer.

It could just be the samples you use!

then you dont have ears or your mixingskills are quit low lolz !

in my opinion it dont care what program is better.... your ideas wont be better if you use a 'better/expensive' program. The shit is all in your head mate. If ill give you logic and fruityloops + the same vst's youll get the same piece of shit/genious shit. trust me on that 1

besides theres also no disadvantage or advantage in the programs... its what YOU like and how your workflow is. if youre organized, friutyloops wont give you much problems. if you're a messy asshole then cubase/logic would be better for ya etc. its all bout YOURSELF !!!!!

programs dont make beats... you make the beats

martello · Post by **martello** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:31 pm

CRYPTIC wrote:IN NO ORDER
I JUST WISH LOGIC AND CUBASE HAD A SAMPLE BROWSER LIKE FRUITY LOOPS, THE CLICK AND DRAG IS BRILLIANT! I KNOW YOU CAN DRAG STUFF INTO CUBASE/LOGIC, BUT ITS NOT THE SAME HAS HAVING THE BROWSER OPEN INSIDE YOUR SOFTWARE

thats why i do not use cubase yet!!!

cryptic · Post by **cryptic** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:35 pm

then you dont have ears or your mixingskills are quit low lolz !

ITS OBVIOUS I HAVE EARS YOU FOOL! WHY WOULD I QUIT ?

Im just stating that in my ears the quality of fruity loops is less than other leading programs, UNLESS you run it through hardware! (my thought)

Yes i could be wrong, doesn't mean i have no ears or i need to quit!

auan · Post by **auan** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:50 pm

Nah it's not mate, plenty of pros use Fruity. It's still THE tool for trance heads. Say what you like about trance but the production is for the most part razor-sharp.

Also early Venetian Snares, he uses Renoise I think now.

Point is, like the man said, there isn't really any DAW that will make a good tune sound shite. Some sound better than others, sure, but in the right hands you can get a releasable quality mix from any one of them.

cryptic · Post by **cryptic** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:05 pm

Some sound better than others, sure, but in the right hands you can get a releasable quality mix from any one of them

but what daw sounds better than the others?

Point is, like the man said, there isn't really any DAW that will make a good tune sound shite

i never said that there was a daw what will make a good tune sound shite

i just i think fruity loops has weeker sound than other daws. Thats not to say fruity loops is shit

wasteman · Post by **wasteman** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:25 pm

CRYPTIC wrote:
then you dont have ears or your mixingskills are quit low lolz !
ITS OBVIOUS I HAVE EARS YOU FOOL! WHY WOULD I QUIT ?

Im just stating that in my ears the quality of fruity loops is less than other leading programs, UNLESS you run it through hardware! (my thought)

Yes i could be wrong, doesn't mean i have no ears or i need to quit!

Ableton claim to have recently tested all the major daw's and came to the conclusion that there is sometimes a difference between hosts yet it is so insignificant it doesn't matter. Put an eq on the master bus and turn the gain on one of the bands up 0.1db, this will have a significantly greater effect on the audio than what any host does.

Not to mention the people that tend to go on about daw's sounding different you know are probably using shitty DA converters budget monitors and have a setup in their bedroom. Not that I have anything against those 3 things as that describes my setup pretty well, but what im getting at is there are hundreds of things to consider which will have a much much much larger effect on your audio signal before you even need to think about what fucking daw your using.

I don't really understand your comment you make about hardware, are you implying that a daw such as cubase has a greater analog sound to it than fruity? I think some people who claim nothing can touch the sound of analog have in fact never used it for themselves and are only going on what others have said, you would no doubt be unimpressed by how little difference a £2000 preamp really has on a sound.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:42 pm

Logic for me.

And it sounds nice through my Apogee i/o and Dynaudio monitors. Version 8 sounds like magic cream as opposed to the crispy crunch of 7.

daft cunt · Post by **daft cunt** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:43 pm

wasteman wrote:
CRYPTIC wrote:
then you dont have ears or your mixingskills are quit low lolz !
ITS OBVIOUS I HAVE EARS YOU FOOL! WHY WOULD I QUIT ?

Im just stating that in my ears the quality of fruity loops is less than other leading programs, UNLESS you run it through hardware! (my thought)

Yes i could be wrong, doesn't mean i have no ears or i need to quit!
Ableton claim to have recently tested all the major daw's and came to the conclusion that there is sometimes a difference between hosts yet it is so insignificant it doesn't matter. Put an eq on the master bus and turn the gain on one of the bands up 0.1db, this will have a significantly greater effect on the audio than what any host does.

Not to mention the people that tend to go on about daw's sounding different you know are probably using shitty DA converters budget monitors and have a setup in their bedroom. Not that I have anything against those 3 things as that describes my setup pretty well, but what im getting at is there are hundreds of things to consider which will have a much much much larger effect on your audio signal before you even need to think about what fucking daw your using.

I don't really understand your comment you make about hardware, are you implying that a daw such as cubase has a greater analog sound to it than fruity? I think some people who claim nothing can touch the sound of analog have in fact never used it for themselves and are only going on what others have said, you would no doubt be unimpressed by how little difference a £2000 preamp really has on a sound.

Now can one make this a sticky so we don't have to go through that again

auan · Post by **auan** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:51 pm

All very good points ^

Cryptic the point I was trying to make before is that the sound difference isn't really a 'quality' thing but just a preference thing, like there's no such thing as The Best Monitors, it's up to you which ones you prefer. But now I agree with wasteman and there's a shitload of other stuff that will have a far greater effect on the sound than your DAW.

Should also say that for me, the workflow of a DAW has always been the deciding factor, and Ableton, Renoise, Reason, Tracktion, Buzz, fuck even Audiomulch, Reaktor, Max/MSP should all get your consideration as they all vary massively. Try a few for yourself (TRIAL VERSIONS YOU PIRATE BITCH) and you'll get a better answer than anyone on this or any forum could give you.

cryptic · Post by **cryptic** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:31 am

Thanks for clearing it up, maybe it is my ears!

I do run a minimal setup, so it explains it all!

£100 pc and wack speakers -

Still Makes the bangers

LOl i might have to try some of them trial versions

I do use reason, cubase, fl7 might have to get that alberton demo

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:18 pm

I like fruity all well and good and it's all i've ever used.. I have a feeling that cubase would sort out my needs for arranging, as i find fruity kinda annoying and tedious for arrangement. Does the job tho, and its not a toy like many say, definately not low on features, after a couple of years of producing on fruity as a hobby i'm still learning new shit

westernsynthetics · Post by **westernsynthetics** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:27 am

Nobody has mentioned Pro Tools...

It blows them all out of the water in terms of mixing.

Pro Tools/Reason (Multi-rewired) & RTAS plugs is the best scenario...

Thats if you have a spare 6 months to save for Tools...

Oh and VST's use more CPU than rewire...i have a shitty centrino chip on a lappy with 512 RAM & I run at least 20 rewired instruments in any song using Reason and Tools. Its all about optimization...

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