use of swing and shuffle/ making things groove

[46and2]

When it comes to allot of the "post dub step", garage stuff etc like Zomby, pangaea, pariah, disclosure etc, What sort of tricks are being implemented to give the drums that bouncy swing in general? Is it as simple as laying down a pattern, adjust some velocities of the hits and then turn the shuffle knob up? Or are there other things at work here?

Any tips on this area would be very helpful.

[3za]

Turn the grid off
Play things in
Use groove templates/make your own
Use sample sources with natural swing
etc

[SunkLo]

Yeah I either play in my drums or program them with snap turned off and just naturally put them off the grid wherever they should be. Usually every other eighth note will be a little bit late and every second sixteenth note will be a little later than that. Exactly how syncopated it is depends on the pattern at any given moment and what's being accented. I'll pull the swing in or out too depending on the pattern or section of the track. Sometimes you can tighten up a drum part and it completely changes.



It's a bit sad that swing and shuffle evokes references to "post dubstep" now instead of just dubstep.
I guess I'm still coming to terms with the idea that we're living in the era of post-swing post-dub post-bass dubstep.

[mks]

I attribute that to peeps not knowing where the "step" in dubstep came from.

[mks]

On the subject of swing though, a lot of that classic swing is actually a quantize function. Like old MPC or Linn drum swing for instance.

If I recall, El-B says he only applies swing to the hi-hats but not the kicks and snares.

[3za]

I attribute that to peeps not knowing where the "step" in dubstep came from.

Bruv, init to do with Mala havin a wobble doorstep or sumfing.

Post dubstep swing, and early dubstep swing are 2 different things. Thats why OP said, "post dubstep" well at least thats what I'm thinking to save some heart.

[fragments]

On the subject of swing though, a lot of that classic swing is actually a quantize function. Like old MPC or Linn drum swing for instance.

If I recall, El-B says he only applies swing to the hi-hats but not the kicks and snares.

I think I recall him also stating he swings only the hats that fall between a kick and a snare?

[mks]

I'm just saying for all of the cats that think dubstep started in 2005 or sumtin. That step came straight out of 2-step.

[3za]

Bruv, pretty sure dubstep started when dubway made the forum.

[ChadDub]

I made dubstep

[bennyfroobs]

"post dubstep" (feel dirty using that term) swing always seems awkward and disjointed to me, proper dubstep swing is funky and groovy. specially benny ill's old mad 2step beats

[SunkLo]

Bruv, pretty sure dubstep started when dubway made the forum.

Dubstep was born when DSF upgraded to the neon theme blessup fam turgid perpendiculars

Soon Skrillex will be moderator of the sound design subforum.

[ehbes]

your neck should be swingin brother

[SunkLo]

My neck only swings at the thirteenth partial of the Schumann resonance bro, if you know what I mean...

[46and2]

Yeah I either play in my drums or program them with snap turned off and just naturally put them off the grid wherever they should be. Usually every other eighth note will be a little bit late and every second sixteenth note will be a little later than that. Exactly how syncopated it is depends on the pattern at any given moment and what's being accented. I'll pull the swing in or out too depending on the pattern or section of the track. Sometimes you can tighten up a drum part and it completely changes.



It's a bit sad that swing and shuffle evokes references to "post dubstep" now instead of just dubstep.
I guess I'm still coming to terms with the idea that we're living in the era of post-swing post-dub post-bass dubstep.

very interesting about every other eighth being a bit late and every second sixteenth being later... How did you come up with this?

* as for the genre thing, I really dont know what genre these artists belong to as I am from north america in a small place where literally no one has even heard of any of this music. However I am listening to lots of those hessle audio guys: pangaea, pariah, pearson sound, is that what post dubstep even is? I have no idea?

Where do artists like zomby fall in?

[SunkLo]

It's pretty standard syncopation. If you recursively split things in half and delay the second half, you get that kind of swing pattern.

There's a hierarchy of notes in terms of stability. The more stable the note, the less you'll want it to be off time. The downbeat shouldn't be delayed, but you can pull the snare back a little bit. The hats in between are even less "load bearers" if you will, so they can be delayed even further.

Sometimes swing consists of sixteenth notes approaching the timing of triplet eighth notes.