Post your unpopular opinions.

[forensix (mcr)]

grime <<<<<<<<<<<<<<drum n bass<<<Jungle

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[feasible_weasel]

grime <<<<<<<<<<<<<<drum n bass<<<Jungle

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ur finger slipped,arrows facing the wrong direction...

[metalboxproducts]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=R6OaRcsfnY4

[d-T-r]

grime <<<<<<<<<<<<<<drum n bass<<<Jungle

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imma' have to agree there. however i dont think its right comparing music genres. evolution of genres means they all relate to each over. alot of todays genres wouldn't exist without previous genres. dnb/jungle has been around for alonger time than grime and to some extent has probably helped influence and craft the sound it has.

music evolves from other genres. the amen break didnt originally come from a Jungle track did it

same thing goes for classical. people that hate on it are dumb. if classical music didn't exist then most of today's music and core foundations wouldn't either. if you wanna get real primitive go back to hitting rocks with sticks.

ive totally argued a diferent point here but you get the picture. opinions are opinions. people can listen to what they want

[feasible_weasel]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=R6OaRcsfnY4

chris rock rules

[elementalism]

So you been into this since January obviously.

I've probably be into dubstep longer than you. I went to my first FWD years back and have been buying vinyl that you could consider dubstep since 2002. Don't try it.

And whilst Burial is 2 step influenced, you couldn't name a 2 step artist that sounds anything like him. And Versus, Unite, South London Boroughs, Wayfaring Stranger and Southern Comfort are floor-clearers?

Let's be honest here. No DJ would dare to drop a Burial tune after 90% of the tunes that you'd hear at FWD these days. I don't care what you think about the stuff I check for, but Spongebob, Nights, 666, The Vee, Some Way Through This, Disco Rekkah isn't comparable to any of those tracks you named. I don't go to raves to chill, I never have, and it just so happens that DJs are focussing on the energy/jump-up stuff that gets people going.

Don't try and tell me I don't know this scene, because I fucking do. I've been to raves where today's headliners were pulling in 5 people, and that included the 3 people I brought. I raved on my own for a good year because no-one knew what the music was. Don't patronize me.

Good to know that people that know so much are determining what is and isn't dubstep - no wonder so much of the music's turning into such generic dross now.

I don't get how people like you can constantly complain. If you think it's turning into generic dross, stop listening to it and get off your computer. Dubstep is bigger than it's ever been, the scene is MUCH more diverse than I can ever remember it being and producers are being MUCH more experimental. Fuck off back to 2002 if you don't like it, I'm staying right here.

What are you on about?! I don't write for a fucking newspaper, it's of my PERSONAL OPINION that those artists I named aren't dubstep. Come off it geez, I'm not trying to write a law here.

Try telling Benny Ill and El-b they're 2 step not dubstep - they were the folks the name was created for by the way.

Unlike you, I'm not afraid of being honest. Benny Ill and El-B knew they were making 2step, XLR8R named it dubstep and the name stuck. Benny Ill doesn't make what I consider to be dubstep, but that's just me. I can't help what I think.

And if you ask me, DJ Narrows or So Solid made the first tunes that I'd consider to be dubstep.

[pk-]

- I have a hard time sympathizing w/ anorexics, bulimics, the morbidly obese, or anyone else who suffers from a "disease of affluence"

YES

hilariously ironic though it is, i hate obese people who expect an inordinate amount of sympathy from people around them, as though being a greedy fuck were grounds enough for sympathy.

similarly (though you get less of it these days) the ones who say they're fat for any other reason than eating a shitload too much and not doing any fucking exercise

[contakt]

So you been into this since January obviously.

I've probably be into dubstep longer than you. I went to my first FWD years back and have been buying vinyl that you could consider dubstep since 2002. Don't try it.

I'm not getting involved in this debate, but I find it quite amusing that loads of people into dubstep seem obsessed with who was into it first.

Does it matter?

It makes you sound like a kid in a playground who is pissed because his mate got the same toy as him a few weeks after he did.

If you love the music, you love the music.

[elementalism]

I was just defending myself. Shonky seems to think there's a relationship between the date you registered and the moment you got into dubstep.

Hmm.

Big up the crew who were born on their registration dates.

[pk-]

i was into this shit 12 years ago i just never told anyone about it

[rickyricardo]

- On the grand scale of social significance, I think sports should rate somewhere beneath collective cabbage picking. Sporting events are arcane distractions, at best, and systems of indoctrination, at worst.

Interesting.

Justification?

Sure no problem.

While I certainly wouldn't deny the effectiveness of sports as being a social adhesive, the basis of that cohesiveness is built on narratives that are largely insignificant to the progress of society as a whole. In other words, sports brings us together, but don't yield any net effects on our condition.

That's not a bad in itself, though. Sometimes a bit of spectacle is a good thing, in that it keeps us from depressing ourselves w/ seriousness and creating eyebrow cramps. However, it's the sheer overemphasis on spectacle that I find disturbing and detrimental to social progress. It's striking when you look at the vast sums of capital that are poured into what are essentially meaningless events w/ equally meaningless outcomes.

Does the home team winning somehow provide the poor in that city w/ a living wage? Does winning the World Series give everyone in the winning city free health care for a year? Of course not....but the money that is actually to put in to address those problems are far overshadowed by the industry of creating fruitless spectacles. It is a woefully inefficient distribution of capital if you ask me.

So the question naturally becomes: Why is this so? Why is sports given so much importance, and sanctioned on all levels as something of incredible social significance? Like I said before, it's for purposes of distraction at best, and indoctrination at worst.

...and i mean "indoctrination" in these sense that there are core set of values that are perpetuated through sport which unfortunately, many people choose to extrapolate onto their everyday lives. Values such as, the importance of physicality over mentality (which carries its own set of assumptions of masculinity), group submission to central authority, the dichotomy of winners vs losers (and the social darwinistic assumptions that implies as well.)

Chomsky probably put it best, for me:

You know, I remember in high school, already I was pretty old. I suddenly asked myself at one point, why do I care if my high school team wins the football game? [laughter] I mean, I don't know anybody on the team, you know? [audience roars] I mean, they have nothing to do with me, I mean, why I am cheering for my team? It doesn't mean any -- it doesn't make sense. But the point is, it does make sense: it's a way of building up irrational attitudes of submission to authority, and group cohesion behind leadership elements -- in fact, it's training in irrational jingoism. That's also a feature of competitive sports. I think if you look closely at these things, I think, typically, they do have functions, and that's why energy is devoted to supporting them and creating a basis for them and advertisers are willing to pay for them and so on.

excerpted from Manufacturing Consent

[fushimi]

It's striking when you look at the vast sums of capital that are poured into what are essentially meaningless events w/ equally meaningless outcomes.

Like everything except food, water and to a lesser extent, shelter.

[parson]

ricky is ON POINT

[*grand*]

English girls are shit.

[dutty yuppie]

Ricky, why don't you just admit you can't catch and you throw like a girl?

[whineo]

ricky is ON POINT

+1

[rickyricardo]

Ricky, why don't you just admit you can't catch and you throw like a girl?

haha, that's not far from the truth. I always kinda sucked at the games that involved manipulating some kind of ball or other outside objects. With the exception of maybe basketball, every other "ball" sport I was horrible it.

I didn't make a half-bad wrestler, though


<= +10pts for making this smilie relevant for once!

[shonky]

Try telling Benny Ill and El-b they're 2 step not dubstep - they were the folks the name was created for by the way.

Benny Ill and El-B knew they were making 2step, XLR8R named it dubstep and the name stuck. Benny Ill doesn't make what I consider to be dubstep, but that's just me. I can't help what I think.
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Ok fella point made. I just don't think that halfstep = dubstep and it seemed to me that the artists you mentioned have as much right to be included as any of the newer faces. Seemed that last year the consensus was that if it was 140bpm and had heavy sub it was dubstep. It seems that as newer people come in, they're hearing a more standardised formula - even if the producers are going off in new and interesting directions, it doesn't necessarily mean that this is what is played out as has been mentioned here before.

If what gets produced aims more at what the dj's play, we get a situation like has happened in drum and bass in the last few years where the scope for doing something new is reduced and the genre stagnates. If on one hand you're into what Coki, etc are doing at the moment (which is far removed from the standard wobble/reggae vocal business) then I don't really see how you can say the producers you mention aren't included in it - it would be better to say "these are dubstep producers that create dubstep that I'm not feeling". It's your opinion though but I think they've got as much right to be included as anyone else imho.

And to be honest, if El-b and Horsepower were termed dubstep (dub as in without vocals rather than dub reggae) then they are the original dubsteppers. It may have changed a lot in the last six/seven years but it'd be like saying the hardcore pioneers that started adding heavy subs and sped-up breakbeats aren't jungle, even though they were the ones that inspired the name originally. If you're familiar with the era I'm talking about, a lot of that would be almost unrecognizable as what we call jungle today, in the same way that Menta, El-b, Benny Ill, and Darqwan's earlier stuff is to current dubstep ('ardkore jungle tekno anyone?).

Anyway, with the originators bringing out new material, and the more 2 steppy end being represented by TRG, Martyn, Burial and a few other newcomers, it's hardly harking back to 2002 is it, even if it isn't the major sound in dubstep at the moment. Sorry if it came across as being patronizing, but I've noted a lot of folks coming in who have a predetermined sense of what dubstep "is" and from what you were saying I just thought you were another of those - I'm more interested in it opening up than making it formulaic, which kills pretty much every music scene eventually. Most of the stuff that's come out in the last year or two has left me cold, but I still see stuff I like coming through, even if it's a tiny percentage of the output at the moment.

[schamotnik]

Curb your enthusiasm isnt that funny, try as you might America, cringe humour just isnt your thing.

I have to disagree.. I think it's well funnny, altough it did take me some time to get into it.

Converse sneakers arent cool

Wearing sunglasses in clubs really really isnt okay.

absolutely agree!

English girls are shit.

That's not an unpopular opinion.. i thought it's common knowledge.. at least outside of England

So you been into this since January obviously.

I've probably be into dubstep longer than you. I went to my first FWD years back and have been buying vinyl that you could consider dubstep since 2002. Don't try it.

I'm not getting involved in this debate, but I find it quite amusing that loads of people into dubstep seem obsessed with who was into it first.

Does it matter?

It makes you sound like a kid in a playground who is pissed because his mate got the same toy as him a few weeks after he did.

If you love the music, you love the music.

yeah, I was about to say the same thing. I discovered dubstep only 1 year ago, I fell in love with it the moment I heard it.
In the end it is just another "who's got the bigger dick" thing..

[feasible_weasel]

Try telling Benny Ill and El-b they're 2 step not dubstep - they were the folks the name was created for by the way.

Benny Ill and El-B knew they were making 2step, XLR8R named it dubstep and the name stuck. Benny Ill doesn't make what I consider to be dubstep, but that's just me. I can't help what I think.

Ok fella point made. I just don't think that halfstep = dubstep and it seemed to me that the artists you mentioned have as much right to be included as any of the newer faces. Seemed that last year the consensus was that if it was 140bpm and had heavy sub it was dubstep. It seems that as newer people come in, they're hearing a more standardised formula - even if the producers are going off in new and interesting directions, it doesn't necessarily mean that this is what is played out as has been mentioned here before.

If what gets produced aims more at what the dj's play, we get a situation like has happened in drum and bass in the last few years where the scope for doing something new is reduced and the genre stagnates. If on one hand you're into what Coki, etc are doing at the moment (which is far removed from the standard wobble/reggae vocal business) then I don't really see how you can say the producers you mention aren't included in it - it would be better to say "these are dubstep producers that create dubstep that I'm not feeling". It's your opinion though but I think they've got as much right to be included as anyone else imho.

And to be honest, if El-b and Horsepower were termed dubstep (dub as in without vocals rather than dub reggae) then they are the original dubsteppers. It may have changed a lot in the last six/seven years but it'd be like saying the hardcore pioneers that started adding heavy subs and sped-up breakbeats aren't jungle, even though they were the ones that inspired the name originally. If you're familiar with the era I'm talking about, a lot of that would be almost unrecognizable as what we call jungle today, in the same way that Menta, El-b, Benny Ill, and Darqwan's earlier stuff is to current dubstep ('ardkore jungle tekno anyone?).

Anyway, with the originators bringing out new material, and the more 2 steppy end being represented by TRG, Martyn, Burial and a few other newcomers, it's hardly harking back to 2002 is it, even if it isn't the major sound in dubstep at the moment. Sorry if it came across as being patronizing, but I've noted a lot of folks coming in who have a predetermined sense of what dubstep "is" and from what you were saying I just thought you were another of those - I'm more interested in it opening up than making it formulaic, which kills pretty much every music scene eventually. Most of the stuff that's come out in the last year or two has left me cold, but I still see stuff I like coming through, even if it's a tiny percentage of the output at the moment.[/quote]
all the complicated name calling its just a continuation of hardcore
breaks+bass