sidechain effect w/o kick drum

[topmo3]

maybe dumb question lol but

how i get things ducking before a kickdrum but lets say at some point of the song i want just the effect so that the kick itself is inaudible

ON ableton

[mthrfnk]

Use a ghost kick to trigger your ducking, i.e. a kick that is just routed to your sidechain compressor (for example) but not routed to the master buss.

[Samuel_L_Damnson]

^ that

[titchbit]

yep. in ableton, just have a kick drum playing like you normally would, but mute the track, or if it's in a drum rack, just mute that pad.

[rockonin]

Another alternative to using a kick sample is to use a Whitenoise sample to trigger the sidechain (Make sure your sample track has no output so you don't hear it) . Don't forget to use volume automation also as another alternative if you don't want to sidechain.

[Bass_Jacka]

Another alternative to using a kick sample is to use a Whitenoise sample to trigger the sidechain .

I wouldn't think this would make much difference seeing as your not going to hear the sound. It doesn't really matter what sample is used as a sidechain trigger IMO.

Obviously the release/tail of the trigger will affect the sidchain effect, but the sample itself doesn't really matter, it would do the same thing ultimately; trigger the sidechain. Or am I wrong?


But to answer your question OP, as others have said - just don't have the trigger sample routed to anything other than the compressor or whatever you're using to sidchain.

[EARTH_MOVER]

Another alternative to using a kick sample is to use a Whitenoise sample to trigger the sidechain .

I wouldn't think this would make much difference seeing as your not going to hear the sound. It doesn't really matter what sample is used as a sidechain trigger IMO.

Obviously the release/tail of the trigger will affect the sidchain effect, but the sample itself doesn't really matter, it would do the same thing ultimately; trigger the sidechain. Or am I wrong?


But to answer your question OP, as others have said - just don't have the trigger sample routed to anything other than the compressor or whatever you're using to sidchain.

ive actually read that side chains do reply better to white noise than other samples becuase they use up a wider range of the frequency spectrum, and makes the side chain effect a bit more drastic from what ive noticed.

[titchbit]

ive actually read that side chains do reply better to white noise than other samples becuase they use up a wider range of the frequency spectrum, and makes the side chain effect a bit more drastic from what ive noticed.

sidechain compression has nothing to do with frequency though, only volume, so I don't see why that would make any difference...

[mthrfnk]

ive actually read that side chains do reply better to white noise than other samples becuase they use up a wider range of the frequency spectrum, and makes the side chain effect a bit more drastic from what ive noticed.

What the fuck? Unless you're sidechaining using a multiband compressor with different settings on each band why would this be true?

[drake89]

ive actually read that side chains do reply better to white noise than other samples becuase they use up a wider range of the frequency spectrum, and makes the side chain effect a bit more drastic from what ive noticed.

What the fuck? Unless you're sidechaining using a multiband compressor with different settings on each band why would this be true?

different volume envelope/waveform. it's gonna behave more like a square wave I reckon, so less dynamic than a kick. this is all conjecture btw, i would just use a kick or snare/whatever hit.

[mthrfnk]

ive actually read that side chains do reply better to white noise than other samples becuase they use up a wider range of the frequency spectrum, and makes the side chain effect a bit more drastic from what ive noticed.

What the fuck? Unless you're sidechaining using a multiband compressor with different settings on each band why would this be true?

different volume envelope/waveform. it's gonna behave more like a square wave I reckon, so less dynamic than a kick. this is all conjecture btw, i would just use a kick or snare/whatever hit.

Yeah obviously it will have a different envelope, hence different sound... but what does that have to do with:

becuase they use up a wider range of the frequency spectrum,

[RmoniK]

Or just use LFO tool: http://www.xferrecords.com/products/lfo-tool

[topmo3]

yep. in ableton, just have a kick drum playing like you normally would, but mute the track, or if it's in a drum rack, just mute that pad.

if it only was that simple. if i do that it doesn't have any effect, no kick drum, no ducking

[titchbit]

yep. in ableton, just have a kick drum playing like you normally would, but mute the track, or if it's in a drum rack, just mute that pad.

if it only was that simple. if i do that it doesn't have any effect, no kick drum, no ducking

I promise you it does, I've done it 1000 times. the kick drum must be playing on a loop, muted, and the sidechain input in the expanded part of the compressor (when you press the little arrow that opens up the sidechain and EQ section of the compessor) must be the kickdrum track.

[firstboyonthemoon]

yep. in ableton, just have a kick drum playing like you normally would, but mute the track, or if it's in a drum rack, just mute that pad.

if it only was that simple. if i do that it doesn't have any effect, no kick drum, no ducking

It is that simple. Are you selecting "Post Mixer" in the sidechain dropdown? It needs to be "Pre FX" or "Post FX". "Post Mixer" won't trigger the compressor (or whatever) if the mixer channel is muted.

[topmo3]

yeah that should does the trick because for some reason i always choose post mixer when doing sidechaining. cheerz