wub wrote:My point of view on these sort of theories is that people want to believe to detract from a scarier truth...that there is no conspiracy. Things happen because of the evil of human nature, and it's an evil that a lot of folk don't want to (or are unable to) confront.
The idea of the world being rudderless is far more terrifying IMO than the idea there is some shadow council pulling the strings on the global stage. Some people want to believe in the wizard behind the curtain so badly because the alternative would lead to some serious questions about the futility of existence in general
(NB; not saying everything is preordained, manifest destiny etc etc)
Pretty much my opinion too.
I think a lot of conspiracy theorists are bored with their lives and feel the need to create these far fetched scenarios to make everything seem more exciting. I think it gives them a sense of superiority because they think they know the 'truth' and therefore think they are better than people who don't seek out conspiracies. Whereas in reality the average person doesn't really put much thought into whether the american government carried out 911 because it happened regardless and any time spent pondering the reasons why it happened is time wasted because it achieves nothing, although i suppose it may be worth the feelings of superiority the conspiracy theorist get from watching nutjobs on youtube.
I genuinely believe alot of the 'conspiracy theorists' i have met in real life have a paranoid personality disorder aswell.
wub wrote:Would it help if I added IMO after everything I write, to help you differentiate from a sweep and an opinion?
Fear isn't universal, of course not...no-one is saying that it is. To try and adjundicate between differing levels of fear would be ludicrous.
You're trying to turn the debate around where it's less about the points either of us are making and more about how I'm supposedly just "whining because you don't explicitly state that it's just your opinion", but I'm fully aware that it's just an opinion. My issue WITH that opinion is that it's BASED on an assumption AND a sweeping generalization and in no way supported by evidence.
Not at all, my apologies if that's how you've chosen to interpret things...not my intention
To confirm your last point...you're asking me to provide evidence that there is no conspiracy?
Evidence to support your opinion.
m8son wrote:
I think a lot of conspiracy theorists are bored with their lives and feel the need to create these far fetched scenarios to make everything seem more exciting. I think it gives them a sense of superiority because they think they know the 'truth' and therefore think they are better than people who don't seek out conspiracies. Whereas in reality the average person doesn't really put much thought into whether the american government carried out 911 because it happened regardless and any time spent pondering the reasons why it happened is time wasted because it achieves nothing, although i suppose it may be worth the feelings of superiority the conspiracy theorist get from watching nutjobs on youtube. .
Whether or not 9/11 is an inside job has huge implications on American policy. Foreign policy, The Patriot Act, airport security....
m8son wrote:ok sure but how is someone watching youtube videos and posting on forums gonna help put a stop to the cover up?
Well, you're assuming that that's what all of them do. But is it? You only hear about the most obnoxious conspiracy theorists.
Secondly, what else are you supposed to do when you don't have large media outlets to your disposal? If you're passionate about it you'd hope to spread as much of the information as you can to as many people as you can. Strength in numbers.
wub wrote:The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
Hence why everything in the Bible is true and to be believed?
But you'd be asking for proof that something didn't happen, as opposed to proving that something doesn't exist. Same transivation, different sides of the coin entirely.
wub wrote:The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
Hence why everything in the Bible is true and to be believed?
But you'd be asking for proof that something didn't happen, as opposed to proving that something doesn't exist. Same transivation, different sides of the coin entirely.
I'm asking for the evidence that you're basing your opinion on.
wub wrote:The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
Hence why everything in the Bible is true and to be believed?
But you'd be asking for proof that something didn't happen, as opposed to proving that something doesn't exist. Same transivation, different sides of the coin entirely.
I'm asking for the evidence that you're basing your opinion on.
Which bit?
EDIT - anyone else going to join in? Bit lonely just bouncing a rubber ball of a wall in here, no pun intended.
I think a lot of conspiracy theorists are bored with their lives and feel the need to create these far fetched scenarios to make everything seem more exciting. I think it gives them a sense of superiority because they think they know the 'truth' and therefore think they are better than people who don't seek out conspiracies. Whereas in reality the average person doesn't really put much thought into whether the american government carried out 911 because it happened regardless and any time spent pondering the reasons why it happened is time wasted because it achieves nothing, although i suppose it may be worth the feelings of superiority the conspiracy theorist get from watching nutjobs on youtube.
I genuinely believe alot of the 'conspiracy theorists' i have met in real life have a paranoid personality disorder aswell.
inb4 the mylar mandem ignore this post.
You started by agreeing with Wub, nothing wrong with that.
You then proceed to insult anyone that believes in conspiracies.
If I or anyone else choose to spend time pondering the reasons, why should it be seen as a waste of time?
