General consensus is hes an okay producer but shite MCdeadly habit wrote:Whyyyyy?!?!?!particle-jim wrote:Already happened a few timesdeadly habit wrote:some idiot is gonna say Kanye soon and I'm gonna laugh at their shit taste.
Wolf89 wrote:I'm bit a hipster is the point
wub wrote:Bob Dylan is not Grime.
Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity and taste on this board.particle-jim wrote:because people are awful
RKM wrote: when bae hands u the aux mixtape and your squad blunted 9/11 aye lmao
kay wrote:We kept pointing at his back and (quietly) telling people "That's M8son...."
wolf89 wrote:I really don't think I'm a music snob.
SoundcloudLaszlo wrote:and yay, upon imparting his knowledge to his fellow Ninjas, Nevalo spoke wisely that when aggrieved by a woman thou shalt put it in her bum.
Wolf89 wrote:I'm bit a hipster is the point
wub wrote:Bob Dylan is not Grime.
Sampling Chuck Berry isn't geniusHarkat wrote:I rate Kanye, he produced some sick shit in the last decade and Yeezus is a fackin great album.
TBH he maybe doesn't belong in musical genius category like Madlib etc though.
http://www.soundcloud.com/particleimami wrote:i put secret donks in all my tunes, just low enough so you can't hear them
no. my point is that these people changed the creation and perception of music during their time. I don't care how long they've been active after their initial impact, but they've been widely recognised and appreciated as serious game changers with incredible talent during their active time already. take good ol' Freddie for example: his work and output in the seventies is nothing short of revolutionary and I have a hard time putting guys like Jam City up there with him, even though I highly appreciate their output and value most of their tunes.garethom wrote:So basically, your point is that a lot of the producers in this thread haven't been around as long as Bach? Or at least as long as the likes of Hendrix and Page?Jurkhands wrote:60ies had Syd Barrett
70ies had Freddie Mercury
80ies had MJ
90ies had Aphex Twin
if we look a bit closer we even find guys like Jim Morrison, Pierre Schaeffer, James Jamerson, Keith Jarrett, Eddie Hazel, Joe Zawinul, Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page. and I'm sure there's dozens of Bachs and Mahlers and Verdis and Beethovens that I never ever heard of because I unfortunately know jack about classical music.
and you guys telling me about Jam City and Wiley and Lil B. fucks sake.
Also, MJ lol, guy was a singer and dancer, yet he's a musical genius and Wiley who basically spearheaded a whole movement in production and vocals isn't?
Shut up.
SoundcloudAxeD wrote:I dunno, there's some thoroughly unemployed people on this forum.
Wolf89 wrote:I'm bit a hipster is the point
wub wrote:Bob Dylan is not Grime.
Jurkhands wrote:no. my point is that these people changed the creation and perception of music during their time. I don't care how long they've been active after their initial impact, but they've been widely recognised and appreciated as serious game changers with incredible talent during their active time already. take good ol' Freddie for example: his work and output in the seventies is nothing short of revolutionary and I have a hard time putting guys like Jam City up there with him, even though I highly appreciate their output and value most of their tunes.garethom wrote:So basically, your point is that a lot of the producers in this thread haven't been around as long as Bach? Or at least as long as the likes of Hendrix and Page?Jurkhands wrote:60ies had Syd Barrett
70ies had Freddie Mercury
80ies had MJ
90ies had Aphex Twin
if we look a bit closer we even find guys like Jim Morrison, Pierre Schaeffer, James Jamerson, Keith Jarrett, Eddie Hazel, Joe Zawinul, Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page. and I'm sure there's dozens of Bachs and Mahlers and Verdis and Beethovens that I never ever heard of because I unfortunately know jack about classical music.
and you guys telling me about Jam City and Wiley and Lil B. fucks sake.
Also, MJ lol, guy was a singer and dancer, yet he's a musical genius and Wiley who basically spearheaded a whole movement in production and vocals isn't?
Shut up.
people still look up to Pink Floyd, Queen, MJ and Aphex Twin. people still refer to them as top of their respective decade and whoever came after them was (and still is) judged based on the standards they introduced. I'm aware of the problem that subjective and/or quantitative impact imposes upon this argument. however, I don't believe Jam City (sorry mate) would live up to the standards if one could compare them in a different environment, detached from sociocultural aspects. there just isn't a scientific method to measure "genius" apart from some IQ tests with arbitrary rankings. also, I tried to take the differences between genres and their respective protagonists into account by offering alternatives. (Eddie Hazel e.g.)
I understand your argument regarding MJ and Wiley and I'm inclined to agree; I'm unsure if "spearheading a movement" is enough to be regarded as a musical genius though. Moritz von Oswald did more or less the same and is certainly qualitywise (as in: production standards and sound design) the better producer and musician than Wiley. why name MJ? because he's personifying the 80ies like no other person. his personal issues reflect the USSR's internal difficulties to maintain a functioning unity, his skin colour change is a metaphor for the integration of black people into the US's white middle classes. jokes.
also I like principles and I don't think there should be more than one genius per decade. but that's just my personal view and I should probably rethink this as today's musical culture has the consumer confronted with an unprecedented multitude of sounds and styles from all over the world. thank you, internet. (shout to ultraspatial)
sorry for my bad english, third language. hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
Wolf89 wrote:I'm bit a hipster is the point
wub wrote:Bob Dylan is not Grime.
incnic wrote: daddy why u dead and lying in a puddle
son i make techno dadydy on drugs
hubb wrote:its what ive been saying for a while
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pkay wrote:I literally can and have mixed about 4 tracks of dubstep solely using my cock.
Nevalo wrote:no no no, one must ONLY listen to music from their home nation.garethom wrote:
You do know that we can now listen to tunes NOT made in the UK too right?
Genevieve wrote:It's a universal law that the rich have to exploit the poor. Preferably violently.
thou shalt be my brother in arms.Pedro Sánchez wrote:Genius is getting thrown around very loosely here. A Genius is someone who changes the approach to the previous models and brings a totally new perspective. So with that said...
Dilla - Hip-Hop didn't sound that offbeat before with such a precision that sounded effortless.
Burial - He made dark dance music appeal to both genders without it loosing it's edge.
Kanye West owes his success to his platform, hardly a genius as he is always catching up to trends that are already bubbling on the underground, he just has the ability to emulate them and put them to a commercial audience. Much like The Beatles.
SoundcloudAxeD wrote:I dunno, there's some thoroughly unemployed people on this forum.
some people say his stuff with lunatic in the early 00s was good but i never bothered to check it out tbhmIrReN wrote:Doesn't booba have good stuff as well?
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