Musical Geniuses Of The Last Decade - your choices?

[hubb]

@wolf

Not at all. The vibe of a dilla beat is so unique you can recognise it a mile off. He is unmatched by his immitators as far as I'm concerned. No-one gets it quite right. But the reason you may think he isn't original If anything though is everyone's ripped him off. Same thing happened with Premier for example.

Ofcourse his sound is unique and original, I've already said what you are saying about his work and mentioned other hiphop producers that are as influential or original - like premo or havoc - the only difference is that culty behaviour.
Check out valour flex if you want to hear a failed Burial immitation.


And you don't need to say what the genius part was. He's one of those musicians where the ability to hook listeners in and inspire emotion is the quality rather than obvious performance flair or knowledge of musical theory.

Thats not saying anything. Quality doesn't equate genious.

Look at the number of hip hop producers that acknowledge him as being both a huge influence and one of the best hip hop has seen. Ok since his death he may have gained an annoying lick arse internet cult following but it before that he was still a producers producer. His influence extends so much too, you can hear it not only in the leftfield instrumental hip hop scene but still strongly in loads of pop music to this day.


Still that is not any different from havoc, premo or timbaland.

Burial has not done that. Not remotely. Even in dubstep his influence isn't direct a lot of the time. You're just falling into some blind fan-boy vision because you prefer his music.

This is so condescending and shit that I'm not going to respect your oppinion on anything. But I'll carry on because it pisses me off.

See, you made the argument that way, to put dilla up against burial, just because i said burial might be a genious. It's not an oppinion even, it's just a silly way to try to discredit what i'm saying.

I mean I don't even produce hip hop but Dilla's beats have affected the way I think about producing music. Burial not really at all. What has Burial brought to the table that's so game changing? Why are you going to have both pop producers and signings to respected electronica labels sounding off about his influence in 10 years time. Because that's what Dilla has. Burial's already lost it anyway. His most recent releases were stereotypes of his own music to the point they just sounded try hard and cheesy.

Burials first bits not only showed you can produce in an entirely different way with just soundforge, which is a huge difference from other visionairies comming from around the same way...like optical.
But with optical or bukem everybody had to go out and buy certain hardware units. So in that way Burials way of doing it, democratised production again to get back to just worrying about the sound and the texture and made alot of people realise that maybe basses and filters weren't the only way you can try to coin a certain sound or set a mood - he brought a bit of soul to people that where against it to begin with, at least to an extent. And what about the use of accapellas in all music now, who do you think brought that about?
Not even considering his use of reverb and how that has influenced everybody.
Drake, Clams Casino and all the other sad robot reverb dudes are without a doubt inspired by Burials sound - even some of Beyonces track from her last record.

One reason why his latest might have ended up like that and being a little derivative, and I agree to an extent, is that when Burial releases something - it's a collection of really long tracks that some label dude get to cut out into shorter bits, so it would make sence if the label dude tried to find something similar to Burials prior work. Not a good way of doing it, but at least Burial gets to do it the way he prefers.

[jaydot]

inb4 Burial

[Lye_Form]

inb4 Burial

wut

[BaronVon]

I honestly can't think of any. I could list loads of candidates from the 90's.
Were the last ten years really that shit?
i was thinking Madlib ; but his first record came out in 1995 i believe.

[jaydot]

inb4 Burial

wut

I was joking m7+1

[Pada]

In general the concept of genius withing music conjoures up images of either the Auteur composer or virtuoistic musicianship. Although such traditional characteristics are often applied to dance music producers and DJs respectively (and often retrospectively), in my opinion both terms are rarely useful when discussing dance music.

Dance music scenes usually develop through small incremental changes in style or content that can often be unnoticeable to outsiders, even when that outsider is a music fanatic. The notion of genius to me refers to somebody who has either singularly or as part of a group has produced work that drastically changed the nature of work that came after it.

It is possible however the auterustic producers are more likely to produce tracks that stand the test of time, this does not make them automatically more effective at the time of their release.

It is also interesting to note that in dance music virtuosity does not usually produce desirable results. The tatsteful jungle of Squarepusher being a prime example of complexity and musicality reducing a musical genre from exciting and exhilarating to boring.

Loefah is probably the prime candidate within dubstep for his role in creating the half step trope, however genius implies an acute knowledge of the change that you want to inspire. From interviews it seems that loefah never intended for the half step pattern to be adopted as a cliche and he never influenced the sound in such a way again. As such I wouldn't regard him as genius.

Kanye is a genius, he has repeatedly had major impact on the future sound of hip-hop through revolutionary albums (with and without Jay Z). However auteurism is much more useful in hip hop than dance music where Grand Wizard Theodore, RZA and Premier have all reveloutionised the genre through there visions without compromising the effectiveness of the music - perhaps this is due to the focus upon MCs and a less dance centric approach. Dance music generally requires aspects of familiarity achieve it's desired function, hence the endless shouts of "it all sounds the same" from proponents of different sub-genres that are equally singular as the one they are trying to deride. hence Wiley is a genius and Mala is not.


Wish I had the time to write about this more in depth, might start a blog.

[DJoe]

Kanye West is not a musical genius

[Pedro Sánchez]

Kanye is a genius, he has repeatedly had major impact on the future sound of hip-hop through revolutionary albums

He's not really, his first few albums were tipping their hat to the forgotten soul sampling of rza and premier in a time where Timabaland and Neptunes synthesized beats ruled the radio (but not the hiphop clubs where it's presence was still dominating) synthesized beats being a style he then went on to explore himself with no greater depth. Then there was autotune Kanye, after the craze was already wearing thin, 808 Kanye - not much new ground there, To what could now be called 'experimenting with noise Kanye aka Rick Rubin'.

[Pada]

Kanye is a genius, he has repeatedly had major impact on the future sound of hip-hop through revolutionary albums

He's not really, his first few albums were tipping their hat to the forgotten soul sampling of rza and premier in a time where Timabaland and Neptunes synthesized beats ruled the radio but not the hiphop clubs where it's presence was still dominating, a style he then went on to explore himself with no greater depth. Then there was autotune Kanye, after the craze was already wearing thin, 808 Kanye - not much new ground there, To what could now be called 'experimenting with noise Kanye aka Rick Rubin'.

Drake wouldn't exist without 808s and heartbreaks.

So STFU.

Kanye > Dilla

[Pada]

Anyone who releases a plain white t-shirt for $120 is a genius.
http://uscheckout.apc.fr/browse.cfm/4,3379.html

[wubstep]

The correct answers are as follows;

Boredoms


Sunn 0)))

They both essentially created new forms of music.

I might go on to add GNOD too, just for being the most relentlessly experimental outfit there is currently.
In a few years they've traveled through psyche/noise rock > space/krautrock > afrobeat > drone/noise > jazz > industrial > early hardcore/jungle & beyond.

[Pedro Sánchez]

Kanye is a genius, he has repeatedly had major impact on the future sound of hip-hop through revolutionary albums

He's not really, his first few albums were tipping their hat to the forgotten soul sampling of rza and premier in a time where Timabaland and Neptunes synthesized beats ruled the radio but not the hiphop clubs where it's presence was still dominating, a style he then went on to explore himself with no greater depth. Then there was autotune Kanye, after the craze was already wearing thin, 808 Kanye - not much new ground there, To what could now be called 'experimenting with noise Kanye aka Rick Rubin'.

Drake wouldn't exist without 808s and heartbreaks.

So STFU.

He's garbage so I makes no difference.

[Pedro Sánchez]

Don't make me find the interview where Kanye explains how he was trying to reproduce Dilla's sound for a Common album. Genius.

[Lye_Form]

Drake.

is FUCKING shit

Kanye > Dilla

no

[Sexual_Chocolate]

Anyone who releases a plain white t-shirt for $120 is a genius.
http://uscheckout.apc.fr/browse.cfm/4,3379.html

musical genius not business

otherwise jay and diddy would be miles above.

[Forum]

If making cent is the ultimate goal of music, then yes, West is a genius

[Sexual_Chocolate]

rats for dilla then, he aint making shit now. he dead.

[Lye_Form]

If that was the case skrillex is a modern day Mozart.

[Lye_Form]

Yeah if dill a is a genius then why he die? Fake genius imo

[Harkat]

Skrills works too hard though, so hes not really a genuis at stackin P like that. Reckon deadmaufive is the best in that way, he gets paid ridiculous amounts to do a show he openly thinks is shit.