russell brand paxman newsnight interview - political biz

[particle-jim]

I'm not really interested in what would benefit Britain, I'm interested in what would fuck the naughty party off the most.

50% of party funding goes to al-qaeda then, the other 50% can be spent giving cocaine to the homeless

[garethom]

Sure there was talk of introducing something like, if you get a certain amount of signatures from people fucked off at their MP, you can force a local election. Not sure if it's actually been implemented, but only really effects things on a local level, unless everybody got together to recall all of their MPs in every constituency.

[Laszlo]

The finger chopping has to be broadcast live, btw. I think Davina McCall should probably present it..

[teamhobson]

Sure there was talk of introducing something like, if you get a certain amount of signatures from people fucked off at their MP, you can force a local election. Not sure if it's actually been implemented, but only really effects things on a local level, unless everybody got together to recall all of their MPs in every constituency.

Thats the sort of thing i was originally talking about. I'm literally baffles me that there isnt something in place to take down a party that could essentially take the piss.

inb4 every party.

[bennyfroobs]

Alex Jones.

an unreasonable comparison imo. alex jones is a barnpot

Also the country is not too bad, if people work hard they can get pretty much anything they want.

lollll

[Lye_Form]

Also the country is not too bad, if people work hard they can get pretty much anything they want.

lollll

I mean it, we are pretty damn lucky.

Sure there is shit loads of nepotism and class bollocks, but you get out what you put in for most things imo.

[garethom]

Also the country is not too bad, if people work hard they can get pretty much anything they want.

It's easy to say that if, like me and I presume you, are in a decent position when we start.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24553611

Alan Milburn says child poverty 'no longer problem of the workless and work-shy'

Social mobility tsar Alan Milburn said his report shows "work is not a cure for poverty"
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Working parents in Britain "simply do not earn enough to escape poverty", the government's social mobility tsar Alan Milburn has warned.

Two-thirds of poor children are now from families where an adult works, his report found.

Many low and middle-income children face being "worse off" than their parents because of falling earnings and rising prices, Mr Milburn added.

Seems the gates of Auschwitz lied to us...

lyeform, not sure if you saw this. Get what you're saying, but for a lot of people it's not like that.

And this, under the government that promised to make things good for the working people...

[bennyfroobs]

compared to other impoverished countries yeah we're lucky but compared to our own country a couple of years ago things are looking a bit glum

[Lye_Form]

Maybe i cant really speak on the matter as had a good start in life, but i know lots of people who came from some shite conditions and worked their way to a good place.

My girlfriend came from a poor family in Romania, moved to London at 18 (first time leaving the country) worked full time to afford university, got herself a 1st , now is working as a film/tv producer and making a decent amount of money (and just completed her masters part time). She had to do unpaid production work whilst working full time in retail and doing her masters at one point. But if you are willing to graft i REALLY struggle to see whats holding people back.

[garethom]

Was talking about this to my dad the other day. Easy if you've done it yourself, or know people that have worked their way up to hold everyone to that standard, and I've done it myself, but guess it's not easy for everyone. Discrimination in MANY forms (race, age, gender, nationality, height, weight) whatever, shit schools, lack of funding/opportunities, lack of role models, lack of money, stupid mistakes that can hold you back for life, a lack of a compassionate or understanding society, hundreds of reasons why somebody doesn't always get the same breaks everyone else does.

Enough that a report says that work no longer is a way out of poverty for a lot of people, evidently.

[m8son666]

they're mostly voted for by racist lites though who don't want to go the full bnp

UKIP are the tories on the further right...voting for them is worse than voting for the tories.

Saying these kind of things is bullshit imo you can call them racists or right wing as much as you want but there is little proof of the group as a whole being racist, it would be much more intelligent and useful to pick holes in their policies, instead of just shouting racist at them. Also alot of the UKIP vote has come from old labour voters and a number of their policies are quite left wing.

Daily mail columnist or not Melanie phillips makes a good point in this video.



Alot of the crazies are being weened out now and its not like ukip's the only party with crazies i mean labour has a bnp defect as one of its councillors ffs.

[Forum]

I didn't say ukip are racists

[Lye_Form]

Was talking about this to my dad the other day. Easy if you've done it yourself, or know people that have worked their way up to hold everyone to that standard, and I've done it myself, but guess it's not easy for everyone. Discrimination in MANY forms (race, age, gender, nationality, height, weight) whatever, shit schools, lack of funding/opportunities, lack of role models, lack of money, stupid mistakes that can hold you back for life, a lack of a compassionate or understanding society, hundreds of reasons why somebody doesn't always get the same breaks everyone else does.

Enough that a report says that work no longer is a way out of poverty for a lot of people, evidently.

Well life is unfair and we should do things to make it more so (tis why i vote). But i also think a lot of the time people can work their way up in this country, even if its not easy, it is possible (and it is far easier than many others).

I was jaded on this issue when someone told me they were protesting that they couldn't get a job, i offered them some landscape work from a friend and they said no he doesnt do manual labour as hes got a degree and that.... a friend of mine who is a teacher works as a labourer during holiday times (he's got a mortgage). another friend is a royal marine and does labouring during leave as he supports his mum... neither moan about it.

Life is often very hard work, many people fail to see that imo.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

great for britian, not for ugandans

[Lye_Form]

great for britian, not for ugandans

Traffic wardens make decent money

[garethom]

Was talking about this to my dad the other day. Easy if you've done it yourself, or know people that have worked their way up to hold everyone to that standard, and I've done it myself, but guess it's not easy for everyone. Discrimination in MANY forms (race, age, gender, nationality, height, weight) whatever, shit schools, lack of funding/opportunities, lack of role models, lack of money, stupid mistakes that can hold you back for life, a lack of a compassionate or understanding society, hundreds of reasons why somebody doesn't always get the same breaks everyone else does.

Enough that a report says that work no longer is a way out of poverty for a lot of people, evidently.

Well life is unfair and we should do things to make it more so (tis why i vote). But i also think a lot of the time people can work their way up in this country, even if its not easy, it is possible (and it is far easier than many others).

I was jaded on this issue when someone told me they were protesting that they couldn't get a job, i offered them some landscape work from a friend and they said no he doesnt do manual labour as hes got a degree and that.... a friend of mine who is a teacher works as a labourer during holiday times (he's got a mortgage). another friend is a royal marine and does labouring during leave as he supports his mum... neither moan about it.

Life is often very hard work, many people fail to see that imo.

No doubt about it people CAN work their way up from nothing and there's endless examples of people that have. There's also endless examples of people who are shat on from the very beginning, bringing up specific examples of that isn't gonna change that. Your friend who doesn't do manual labour. Good for him, lazy fucker, but it seems he can AFFORD to turn down work. There are others that can't, but still can't get opportunities, and as that report says, even if they take those opportunities, they're still getting dicked over because it doesn't pay them a liveable wage (seen nuff debate on what liveable means, and I think if some people want to consider themselves to live in a first world country, they need to rethink what they think is liveable).

I stand here in a very privileged position dude. White, male, english speaking, British, healthy, from a family that wasn't poor as shit, had 2 parents that both had decent jobs, with money/resources for me to be able to take best advantage of the schooling I was given. Shit, I even have blond hair and blue eyes. It took me AGES to change my view from "This happened to me, everybody can do it" to realise that a lot of people can get shit on in myriad ways, and just because WE know people that can, doesn't mean everybody has the same luck.

Dunno, shit I've come to realise over the last few years has left me feeling proper disenchanted with this country and it's future, but also appreciate how lucky I was simply to be born into the position I was.

[pete_bubonic]

The ONLY thing that would make even consider voting for any party are policies to excessively reduce military funding

m8, not too much though yea

Enough to keep the rowdy celts in their own country obviously.

We haven't had to defend a force attack on our shores since WW2. We seem to have a dedicated offensive military and that makes me uncomfortable knowing my taxes pay for it. We should dedicate a much larger force to NATO and bring our home forces to a minimal defensive requirement. Let the designated multinational police and military forces intervene in countries where needed.

[Muncey]

Alex Jones.

an unreasonable comparison imo. alex jones is a barnpot

True, it is unfair.. Alex Jones, despite being a barnpot, has probably done more meaningful things than Brand.

I'm still baffled by the amount of people posting the video like its something meaningful, he stated we're being fucked over and the current system isn't working, gave no information on an alternative OR any details or names of people who are working on alternatives... just basically said 'fuck knows but lets revolt and hope for the best'.

He literally said nothing new and said what hundreds of thousands have been saying for years and years.

Why does it take a fucking failed comedian with a bit of fame to open peoples eyes to problems? No wonder politicians don't give a fuck, we may as well elect celebs and turn Government into a reality show on Channel 4 where we can vote people in/out each week.. maybe then people will take an interest in what the fucks going on.

He wasn't even the first comedian to point this out.. and as the great George Carlin said maybe its not the politicans that suck, maybe its the public that sucks.

[Laszlo]

great for britian, not for ugandans

Traffic wardens make decent money

Fully lol'd

[Lye_Form]

Shit, I even have blond hair and blue eyes.

wana fuk?