GETTING THE VIBES BACK - [Forum Suggestion]

[fiveone]

i put forward a suggestion to wub to disallow people starting their own topics unless they've given x amount of feedback, and to implement a character minimum.

this would require someone moderating what is deemed "feedback" or not

well lets find a moderator?

If we had a character limit/new users not allowed to make threads etc, this would a) require more moderation and b) people would still find a way to get round it.

find a new moderator?

But there isn't anything to stop people posting 10/20 posts of rubbish to get their count up.

...find a new moderator?

[wub]

Yeah...think you're underestimating just how much work it would entail to implement a minimum post count and then make sure people weren't posting crap to get round it.

Not to mention the judgement call on what is 'good' feedback or not.

[royalB]

I'm gonna have to agree with koncide...but I think the 2nd forum sbould be hidden and access should be determined by those of u who were among the first responses in this thread. Just monitor the spam feedback forum for anyone that is showing promise in developmenft and attitude and reach out to them and invite personally to use the hidden one.

Feel me?

And big up everyone with input on this thread...straight up...cheers!

[Echoi]

What ever happens, I know we aren't going to just turn this into a 10 replies per thread a day, kind of thing overnight.

But I am sure we can improve on the current state of affairs somewhat, a few of you seem to be taking the time and effort in bits here and there, and that's great.

Some of you will realise what it's all about, and other's will be like 'fu*k that I aint no feedback bitch'. And those type often get weeded out and don't go the distance anyway.

But there was a real little community feel to Dubs, and I reckon we can get that back to some extent, the ones who are truly serious about it all, will.

[Echoi]

Seriously, I don't know about you guy's, but I can't stand to see people's thread's in here dropping further and further down without a single reply, consigned to the bottomless pit that is Dubs page 2 and beyond.

[wub]

Lead by example is the way forward.

Plus I'll filter the board to show by number of replies ascending for the last month, so you can go through the older threads that may have slipped without a response.

[ehbes]

I'd actually like to see two separate sub-forums for dubs and feedback, one for very new or inexperienced producers, and one for people who have made more of a name for themselves and who's quality is consistent. I'm not sure what the criteria would be based on, but tweaked in the right way it would create a separate community which would draw traffic not just from fellow producers, but from DJs looking for exclusives to play out. and also general fans/listeners who know next to nothing about production except knowing what sounds poor, and who just want to hear some music from people they're not heard of before. This would also give the newbies something to work towards and perhaps encourage more quality control on their part.

1) how would that ever be enforced
2) what determines skill
3) Does this not create a riff in the dsf community ?

[royalB]

1) how would that ever be enforced
2) what determines skill
3) Does this not create a riff in the dsf community ?

keep it hidden...moderators can use good judgment..to grant access...if nobody knows then no cause for riff

[ehbes]

1) how would that ever be enforced
2) what determines skill
3) Does this not create a riff in the dsf community ?

keep it hidden...moderators can use good judgment..to grant access...if nobody knows then no cause for riff

so you want the mods to go through all 66904 members to determine who has access to a "hidden" dubs board?

[wub]

Should we make new users move to the back of the bus as well?

[fiveone]

Yeah...think you're underestimating just how much work it would entail to implement a minimum post count and then make sure people weren't posting crap to get round it.

Not to mention the judgement call on what is 'good' feedback or not.

well i don't get it really, most of the suggestions seem to be met with lack of time/man-power to do things. why can't you fish for another moderator who can be trusted to pass good judgement on what is good feedback or not? and then we can try out different things for this forum to make it better. not being funny wubs, i respect you and all that but you're not really helping the few members who want to see positive change to help better this board

[fiveone]

and i agree with the last few replies, i don't think two separate dubs board would work out well for the DSF community. and yeah, there is the that issue of what factors dictate which board you should be in. whatever rules are implemented, it's bound to cause conflict anyways.

[therapist]

I remember a couple of years back, when I actually made something resembling dubstep, trying to get into the whole dubs/feedback thing on here. I made a different account (not going to associate my music with this one am I) and made a lot of effort trying to give some useful feedback on other posters' tunes in return for feedback on mine (the rule in that thread was 3 comments before posting your own tune or something) and it worked quite well.

Then you had a pretty established DSFer(s) and relatively known name(s) come in saying "feedback my tune and I might get back to you." I argued he was a wanker and in the wrong, response was roughly "well I really care about my music and I'm trying to make a living from it, don't really have time to waste on others that might not return the favour. Plus you've only got 10 posts so who are you to tell me what to do?"

I don't know why I decided to bore you all with my shitty anecdote, but it pissed me right off, and it's the attitude a lot of people (sometimes understandably) seem to have on here and on the internet. I'm sure dedicated sites with better systems probably exist for trading feedback. Any suggestions? I've no idea what category/genre my music would fall in to now anyway.

[koncide]

I'd actually like to see two separate sub-forums for dubs and feedback, one for very new or inexperienced producers, and one for people who have made more of a name for themselves and who's quality is consistent. I'm not sure what the criteria would be based on, but tweaked in the right way it would create a separate community which would draw traffic not just from fellow producers, but from DJs looking for exclusives to play out. and also general fans/listeners who know next to nothing about production except knowing what sounds poor, and who just want to hear some music from people they're not heard of before. This would also give the newbies something to work towards and perhaps encourage more quality control on their part.

1) how would that ever be enforced
2) what determines skill
3) Does this not create a riff in the dsf community ?

You misunderstand me... my whole point is that dubs and feedback atm is a massively varied kettle of fish. You have some producers come on here who clearly know their stuff, and I think we all know there are some seriously underrated gems that have been posted on this forum that basically get ignored. On the other hand, you have guys who are just starting out and want feedback on production basics. I think it's fairly valid to point out that lumping the two types of posts together in one list is going to cause confusion for some people, and I subscribe to the theory that this is what's keeping views and replies low throughout most of the dubs/feedback forum.

What determines skill? Keep it democratic, it should be about the positive response a producer gets, on a consistent basis. Of course this would require moderation to work, and people have already pointed out that moderation is an issue no matter what happens so I won't go into that.

How on earth does it create a rift? It simply separates those who know what they're doing from those who are still picking up the basics. In that way, those who want to help out the beginners know where to go, and those who want to hear the experienced producers know where to find them.

Should we make new users move to the back of the bus as well?

It ain't about moving to the back, it's about more appropriate seating.

[ehbes]

well i don't get it really, most of the suggestions seem to be met with lack of time/man-power to do things. why can't you fish for another moderator who can be trusted to pass good judgement on what is good feedback or not?

because you need someone who a production board/dubs regular who is knowable and doesnt take the piss half the time. that severely limits whose available. also the mods are actual people with real life shit and limited time

not being funny wubs, i respect you and all that but you're not really helping the few members who want to see positive change to help better this board

he's being helpful, you all are being unrealistic of what to expect from him and the rest of the mods.

[ehbes]

You misunderstand me... my whole point is that dubs and feedback atm is a massively varied kettle of fish. You have some producers come on here who clearly know their stuff, and I think we all know there are some seriously underrated gems that have been posted on this forum that basically get ignored. On the other hand, you have guys who are just starting out and want feedback on production basics. I think it's fairly valid to point out that lumping the two types of posts together in one list is going to cause confusion for some people, and I subscribe to the theory that this is what's keeping views and replies low throughout most of the dubs/feedback forum.

fair point I can see where you're coming from

What determines skill? Keep it democratic, it should be about the positive response a producer gets, on a consistent basis. Of course this would require moderation to work, and people have already pointed out that moderation is an issue no matter what happens so I won't go into that.

any sort of "elite" or "special" sub section is gonna run into this, again people expect way too much of the mods here.

How on earth does it create a rift? It simply separates those who know what they're doing from those who are still picking up the basics. In that way, those who want to help out the beginners know where to go, and those who want to hear the experienced producers know where to find them.

people getting pissy and angry when their told they aren't good enough. this will eventually lead to another "deep" vs "bro" debate and will end with 3-5 pages being modded out and said angry member vowing to never return to DSF.

Should we make new users move to the back of the bus as well?

It ain't about moving to the back, it's about more appropriate seating.

[koncide]

Fair play to the mods. This forum gets quite a bit of traffic and I'm aware the mod team is quite small. It's about what they can do willingly and through time constraints. All I'm saying is that if the will was there and the time-constraints could be managed the idea would work.

people getting pissy and angry when their told they aren't good enough. this will eventually lead to another "deep" vs "bro" debate and will end with 3-5 pages being modded out and said angry member vowing to never return to DSF.

No one would tell them they aren't good enough. There wouldn't be an "apply here to be an ubersick producer" button. The community would be left to decide, the mods (or whoever else) would judge from the feedback that producers get left from other users. If people wanna throw their toys out the pram because they ain't getting the necessary feedback and can't act like an adult then why are they on this forum in the first place?

[fiveone]

well i don't get it really, most of the suggestions seem to be met with lack of time/man-power to do things. why can't you fish for another moderator who can be trusted to pass good judgement on what is good feedback or not?

because you need someone who a production board/dubs regular who is knowable and doesnt take the piss half the time. that severely limits whose available. also the mods are actual people with real life shit and limited time

there are people that frequent the boards who are knowledgeable. there are people who "dont take the piss half the time."
well done, the mods are actual people and have lives - so does everyone else. if the moderators are so busy and can't even perform the duties of their holy title on this board, then that leads us again to why don't we look for more mods/another mod? think about what i've said before you reply...

not being funny wubs, i respect you and all that but you're not really helping the few members who want to see positive change to help better this board

he's being helpful, you all are being unrealistic of what to expect from him and the rest of the mods.

lol no, i expect moderators to do what they're meant to be doing on here - moderating. enough people (obviously) want change, we all need to come to agreement on steps we should take to make these sub forums better. we're all on the same side when it comes to liking good music & we all have a passion for dubstep/bass music, otherwise we wouldn't be here right now - why are you here trying to cause that rift ehbrums1? all you've done through out this whole topic is try and argue peoples ideas to the ground; where are your ideas in trying to better the boards?

[Echoi]

Tbh, I don't think we need to change the format here at all, seem's to me that it will complicate matter's?

Like I said before about simply prompting people into getting involved, forum etiquette, can't just be a take take situation for the majority. Spread the word, and those who like the idea will follow suit.

I think if you start implementing some of the idea's here, it may put a lot of people off. We already know the system we have in place is good enough, has been proven, but has gone a bit stale of late.

Even the production forum is boring compared to a couple of years back. But these thing's always pick up and slow down, now it's time see if we can just get things rolling along a bit better.

As I mentioned further above, have seen a slight improvement here, and that's how it starts, the minority give regular feedback to who ever posts/each other, and hopefully other's take note and do the same.

[ehbes]

there are people that frequent the boards who are knowledgeable. there are people who "dont take the piss half the time."well done, the mods are actual people and have lives - so does everyone else. if the moderators are so busy and can't even perform the duties of their holy title on this board, then that leads us again to why don't we look for more mods/another mod? think about what i've said before you reply...

i can think of 2 maybe 3 people who would be good production board mods. and then its a question of whether or not they want to do it.

lol no, i expect moderators to do what they're meant to be doing on here - moderating. enough people (obviously) want change, we all need to come to agreement on steps we should take to make these sub forums better. we're all on the same side when it comes to liking good music & we all have a passion for dubstep/bass music, otherwise we wouldn't be here right now - why are you here trying to cause that rift ehbrums1? all you've done through out this whole topic is try and argue peoples ideas to the ground; where are your ideas in trying to better the boards?

I'm trying to be a voice of reason for all these shit ideas that might sound good in theory but realistically would never work. As for my idea for bettering the boards? How about people stop acting entitled. The fact is mods don't owe you shit. And apart from a dubs board that is filled with varying degrees of musically ability is there anything really wrong with the production related boards?