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Re: Thinking out loud...

Post by wub » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:27 pm

2yrs today since I started what was effectively ranting at myself :lol:

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Post by fragments » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:01 pm

wub wrote:2yrs today since I started what was effectively ranting at myself :lol:
This is the best production ish related "feed" I know of man...keep it up! I love reading all this stuff at my retail job when its slow. Like today!
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Post by wub » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:24 pm

Daniel Miller (Mute Records) Modular Synth Masterclass - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OqybUYmBeo
The Evolution of Techno: Kevin Saunderson, Eddie Fowlkes and Dantiez Saunderson at LEAF 2013 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l4mGy3Q8Fc
High Tech Soul - The Creation of Techno Music (full) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlDMoI0ExS8
Ed Rush & Optical "In The Studio" (2004) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMQzcufkToI
History of Virus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMLHM_a83O4
Berlin Producer Profile: Exercise One (Cocoon / Exone / Mobilee) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x5RdPxEhCM
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Post by fragments » Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:04 pm

unfortunately cannot peep those vids at work very well, but I have spent yesterday and today consuming every Machine Love article from RA.net

Stoked for the Ed Rush & Optical one though.
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Post by wub » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:13 pm

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http://www.eclecticmethod.net


A video remix journey through the history of sampling taking in some of the most noted breaks and riffs of the decades. A chronological journey from the Beatles’ use of the Mellotron in the 60s to the sample dense hiphop and dance music of the 80s and 90s. Each break is represented by a vibrating vinyl soundwave exploding into various tracks that sampled it, each re-use another chapter in the modern narrative.

THANKS to WhoSampled.com

TRACKLIST

The Beatles - Strawberry Fields
Joe Tex - Papa was Too
Lee Dorsey - Get out of my life woman
Cypress Hill - Hits from the bong
B.O.B. w/ Bruno Mars - Nothing On You
Wu Tang Clan - Aint Nothing to Fuck With
The Mohawks - The Champ
KRS ONE - Step INto a World (Rapture's Delight)
Eric B. & Rakim - Eric B Is President
Onyx - Slam
The Beatles - Revolution 9
The Winstons - Amen Brother
N.W.A. - Straight Out of Compton
Snow - Informer
Apache Indian - Original Nuttah
The Ganja Kru - Super Sharp Shooter
James Brown - Funky Drummer
Public Enemy - Fight The Power
De La Soul - The Magic Number
Dr Dre - Let Me ride
LL Cool J - Mumma Said Knock You Out
The JBs - The Grunt
Public Enemy - Rebel Without a Pause
Wu-Tang Clan - Protect Ya Neck
Kool and the Gang - N.T.
NAS - It Ain't Hard To Tell
Q Tip - Breathe & Stop
Soul Searchers - Ashley's Roachclip
Eric B & Rakim - Paid in Full
P M Dawn - Set adrift
Ohio Players - Funky Worm
Kriss Kross - Jump
Lyn Collins - Think (About It)
Rob Base & DJ E-Z ROck - It Takes Two
The Honeydrippers - Impeach The President
Action Bronson - Imported Goods
Notorious B.I.G. - unbelievable
Janet Jackson - That's the Way Love Goes
The Incredible Bongo Band - Apache
Skull Snaps - It's A New Day
The Pharcyde - Passin Me By
Lafayette Afro Rock band - HiHache
Melvin Bliss - Synthetic Substitution
Wu Tang Clan - Bring The Ruckus
Ultramagnetic MC's - Ego Trippin
Barry White - I'm Gonna Love You Just A Little More Baby
Beastie Boys - Time To Get Ill
Daft Punk - Da Funk
Schoolboy Q feat. Kendrick Lamar and CurT@!n$ - Live Again
James Brown - Funky President
Fresh Prince - Summertime
Naughty By Nature - Hip Hop Hooray
Fred Wesley & The JB's - Blow Your Head
De La Soul - Ooh
Digable Planets - Rebirth of Slick (Cool Like Dat)
Public Enemy - Public Enemy Number 1
Bob James - Nautilus
Eric B & Rakim - Follow The Leader
Slick Rirck - Children's Story
Bob James - Take Me to Mardi Gras
Run DMC - Peter Piper
THe Headhunters - God Make Me Funky
Depeche Mode - Mercy in You
NAS - Hip Hop is Dead
Tone Loc - wild Thing
Van Halen - Jamie's Cryin
Zapp - More Bounce to the Ounce
Biggie - Going back to Cali
Billy Squier - The Big Beat
Dizzee Rascal - Fix Up, Look Sharp
Alicia Keys - Girl on Fire
A$AP Rocky - Out of this world
Jay Z - 99 Problems
ESG - UFO
Biggie - Parties & Bullshit
Queen & David Bowie - Under Pressure
Vanilla Ice - Ice Ice Baby
AC DC - Flick of the Switch
LL Cool J - Rock The Bells
Beastie Boys - Slow and Low

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Re: Thinking out loud...

Post by wub » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:32 pm

http://www.resoundsound.com/5-tips-for-making-an-album/
5 Tips for Making an Album
It’s been a little over a year since the debut album by Loxy and myself – “Burning Shadows” - was released on Exit Records. The project had many phases and we put a ton of work on it over the course of 3-4 years. I’m still very happy and proud about how it turned out. But life is about learning, and I’ve gained new perspective since finishing the project. So let’s reflect for a bit upon the experience of working on an album… And what I would do differently next time.

Here we go – my 5 tips for making an album.


1. Set focus

There were many reasons it took so long for us to finish the LP. Some were beyond our control, but there’s one that was purely down to us: We were both working on all sorts of other projects at the same time. We collaborated for releases on several labels and we both had our solo projects going on. Add the fact that we live in different countries…

Multitasking caused us a lot of extra work. Whenever we lost focus on the LP we had to set our sights again and build up the momentum to get back on track.


2. Listen as whole

When the album was finished and out there I realized I hadn’t really taken a whole lot of time to listen to it as an album, from start to finish. I had been so busy and focused on working on the tunes.

Next time I will take more time throughout the project to just listen to it. That is the best way to build perspective on the project as whole.


3. Fight perfectionism

In any creative work it’s all about finding the balance between self-criticism and letting go. By trying to strive for perfection you are only making things harder. There is good, there is even great, but there is no perfect.


4. Smaller deadlines

Here is another reason why it took so long to finish I reckon. The deadlines we set were typically spanning a long time frame such as “have the album finished in 8 months”. That’s just too long and too vague with everything that kept interfering with the album making process.

Things change and life always comes up with endless amounts of things that get in your way. Since making the album I’ve started approaching big projects as a series of smaller deadlines. Smaller goals are easier to manage. Achieving them creates positive momentum which fuels you forward.


5. Plan less, do more

It’s enticing to plan things out, but you have to draw a line between what’s useful and what’s excessive. Too much planning is counterproductive, and will only result in change of plans later on. I think for the way we work it’s more important to follow our guts and just make tunes.

We had a pretty good vision of what we wanted to do to begin with, so we could have spent even less time on musing about it and more working on the music.

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Re: Thinking out loud...

Post by nowaysj » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:45 pm

Since we're thinking out loud here.

I'd skip the album idea in preference to a collection of the artist's best songs from a time period.

If I'm using prepositions incorrectly in this or any other post, hopefully that part of my brain will come back on line sometime today, for now, seriously every preposition sounds like it is in another language.
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Looks like DoA is back (sort of), so a good time to put together a list of some of the best threads;

Q&A Sessions

Q&A Session 26: Billain - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... in.708325/
Q&A Session 25: Fresh - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... sh.642650/
Q&A Session 24: Survival - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... al.629944/
Q&A Session 23: Phace / Misanthrop - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... op.625451/
Q&A Session 22: Teebee - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... ee.623161/
Q&A Session 21: Alix Perez / Sabre - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... re.609666/
Q&A Session 20: Skynet - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... et.606556/
Q&A Session 19: Cause 4 Concern - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... rn.602422/
Q&A Session 18: Macc - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... cc.585407/
Q&A Session 17: Danny Byrd / Utah Jazz - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... zz.569689/
Q&A Session 16: Nu:Tone - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... ne.540472/
Q&A Session 15: Polar AKA K - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... -k.525654/
Q&A Session 14: Kryptic Minds & Leon Switch - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... ch.494225/
Q&A Session 13: Dom & Roland - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... nd.469192/
Q&A Session 12: ASC AKA Intex Systems - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... ms.456133/
Q&A Session 11: Breakage - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... ge.430129/
Q&A Session 10: Craggz & Parallel Forces - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... es.418051/
Q&A Session 9: Psidream - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... am.401635/
Q&A Session 8: Hochi - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... hi.374017/
Q&A Session 7: Electrosoul System - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... em.353808/
Q&A Session 6: Fracture & Neptune - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... ne.343262/
Q&A Session 4: Black Sun Empire - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... re.323714/
Q&A Session 3: Exile - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... le.316256/
Q&A Session 2: Paradox AKA Alaska - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... ka.306631/
Q&A Session 1: Noisia AKA Drifter - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/q-a-ses ... er.298904/

Other Threads

A pilled up PARADOX telling people how dnb SHOULD be... - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/a-pille ... be.499191/
Photek - "all anyone's style is, is what else they're into outside of jungle" - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/photek- ... le.605814/
OK - here's some practical advice.. - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/ok-here ... ce.416209/
Blumarten, why haven't you guys done a Grid Q&A? - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/blumart ... -a.662905/ -
A New Age of Dis-Connectivity in Music - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/a-new-a ... ic.682048/
Jungle - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/jungle.419606/
studio pr0n pics [nsfw] NSFW - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/studio- ... fw.611829/
I strongly advise you to use analog gear - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/i-stron ... ar.459112/
a word of advice to people who give away full 320s of tracks.. - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/a-word- ... ks.536390/
meditation vs writers block - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/meditat ... ck.655103/
I have faith in Paradox - http://www.mixspace.com/threads/i-have- ... ox.159268/

And for this thread;
A pilled up PARADOX telling people how dnb SHOULD be...
Anyone who hasn't heard this live set needs to immediately;

http://depot.jungletrain.net/SR18/49

Dillinja - You Dont Know Remix - LOGIC
The Sentinal - Genesis - BASEMENT
Crystl - Crystlize - DEEJAY
J Majik - Reportoire - METALHEADZ
Futurebound - Blue Mist - TIMELESS
Source Direct - The Crane - SOURCE DIRECT
Arcon 2 - The Beckoning - REINFORCED
Dillinja - Violent Killa - VALVE
Matrix - Convoy - PROTOTYPE
Odysse - Object - 720 DEGREES
Mixrace & Protonisospace - Kings - TIMELESS
Futurebound - The Emphresis - TIMELESS
Crystl - Meditation - DEEJAY

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Re: Thinking out loud...

Post by hubb » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:38 pm

Nice one wub!.

Saw paradox last summer and his live sound was nothing short of amazing. Breaks on floppy disks :Q:
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Post by wub » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:44 pm

hubb wrote:Nice one wub!.

Saw paradox last summer and his live sound was nothing short of amazing. Breaks on floppy disks :Q:
Got a big resource of Paradox material in another thread you might like if you've not seen already;

http://www.dubstepforum.com/forum/viewt ... x#p3503880

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Re: Thinking out loud...

Post by f1rstsense » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:48 pm

thank you wub!

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Post by hubb » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:49 pm

I have some of his breaks on an hd somewhere.
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Post by wub » Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:22 am

Seamless Tutorials (sound design)

30k Tutorial 1: Herber Canete and Joe Ford - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnfCQoWq10Q
30k Tutorial 2: Luke Davies and Sadhu - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qzhbr0gA4U
30k Tutorial 3: Josh Heffer and Mefjus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTQdvGVUv6Y
30k Tutorial 4: Stuart Sorrell and Savant - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6TnjNnTkmo
30k Tutorial 5: Maximilian Celinder and Neonlight - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBX_F4QwkZE
30k Tutorial 6: Jacob Finton and Billain - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aH83ZCjF1I
30k Tutorial 7: Gilles Hawawini and Dyro - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpZu9MaPiKg
30k Tutorial 8: Mike Gibbons and Noisia - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzoxfl3AOdo
30k Tutorial 9: Nick Robledo and Barely Alive - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CclG22gP1uY
30k Tutorial 10: Ben Mader and Getter - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvio1I5XJGo
30k Tutorial 11: Taylor Bosse, Disprove & Protostar - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AANyKufRQAY
30k Tutorial 12: Andrew Martin and Seven Lions - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJBJ-ARvW-4
30k Tutorial 13: Mitch Howard and Cazzette - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzjCLnriTGM
30k Tutorial 14: Fall of Icarus and SKisM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXcGNqoGcLs
30k Tutorial 15: Jeff Updike and Kill The Noise - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuDaOJ7wIAQ

Chck the rest of this channel, some amazing stuff on there - http://www.youtube.com/user/SeamlessR/videos

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You been brosteppin wub?
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Post by wub » Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:14 pm

nowaysj wrote:You been brosteppin wub?
Not at all, it was more for the Billain one TBH, then noticed the rest of the series and thought the sound design was pretty on point, even if it's not exactly my cup of tea.

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Homie does put Harmour through its paces. Gotta believe IL's best synth.
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Post by rockonin » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:05 pm

Is there a Drum'n'Bass thread on this forum?

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rockonin wrote:Is there a Drum'n'Bass thread on this forum?
Not to my knowledge, feel free to start one :W:

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Keep the creative juices flowing and inspiration ignited…how?
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Concentrating on your work – especially creative work that needs a bit of inspiration – seems to be the hot topic these days, but it’s that for a reason.
The modern man with all his contemporary digital distractions, let alone non-digital ones brought on by life, can get in the way of one’s creative process and gnaw on one’s inspiration.
This can stop the juices from flowing, and certain principles can be of help.

Here’s a few ideas on how I keep the production going. These are about making music but I can’t see why this couldn’t be applied to any creative work.

I dabble with music almost every day in some way. I often have some small initial idea that I want to start with. It’s finding that decent idea that’s the key for me. It can be a sound, a beat, or even a speech sample that creates a certain vibe inside of me, around which I know I will want to build something. I keep notes of ideas; if I happen to come across a good sample (I have gazillions of samples and I sample everything all the time) or an idea that strikes me, I write a note about it on a dedicated notepad for ideas. That way, I don’t have to remember it – and in all honesty, with all the ideas popping up ever so often, I couldn’t. A notepad with worthwhile ideas is your friend, trust me! I don’t want to waste the good ideas; I don’t want to work on 10 songs at the same time but I do want to remember all the good ideas, and that’s what a notepad is good for.

As I have all those ideas waiting to be worked, I simply wait for the right moment to work on it. I know that in reality, we can’t always wait for optimal moments for everything, but if/when I have some time and energy, it’s quite easy to work a decent idea/sample/loop into a song. However, it’s happened to me numerous times that I’ve kind of “wasted” the opportunity: I’ve tried to “force” working on something I’ve liked in the middle of numerous things going on or which I’ve had to take care of (work, obligations, stress), and soon the idea/loop that sounded cool gets kind of old and I lose interest. This is because I’ve failed to have decent sessions where I can simply concentrate on my work without something annoying or stressful rubbing the back of my mind.

So, focused sessions are important. It may work for someone to work on music when they’re super stressed and busy with many things, but I’ve found it doesn’t work for me as I need a certain amount of mental space. So, I don’t even try to write music when the timing isn’t somewhat right. I’m saving up energy for those moments when I can really immerse myself in music – and I’ve found that to be very important. And those moments don’t even have to be long! The amount of work you can do in even two hours when you’re charged and fully focused can be A LOT in terms of writing a song, for example. Most of my songs are written in a few somewhat brief sessions today – but those sessions are full of energy and focus. Forcing marathon sessions is only counter-productive, in my opinion (which doesn’t mean it could work for someone else).

This kind of relates to the previous point, but don’t burn yourself out with any negative feelings you might get when you really want to work on music but don’t have the time and bring those feelings into your creative session. This has happened to me many times; a musical idea I’ve loved has been spoiled with sessions where I’ve been tired, stressed out, and forcing it. Cherish the positive vibes you get out of the fact that you’re able to create something that impresses you. To the best of us, no matter how much we love what we do, there may be times when we simply need a break and trying to work on an idea isn’t the perfect thing to do right now. Give it some time, wait for the moment – it’ll come.

Again, this kind of relates to what I said in the previous point: I don’t start a music-making or a song-writing session until there’s some solid idea that can grow into something. I want to avoid the “Ahhh shit, this ain’t f*cking going anywhere” feeling where I just want to throw the whole thing out of the window. I used to get that a lot when I went for the “OK, let’s make some music but I don’t know where to start” thing. I have learned that I can’t always make a song just like that; art can’t be forced, and frustration that comes from trying to force it can be your worst enemy and make it all feel like something you may even start to avoid.
Know when to engage in a bigger session and when not; it’s necessary to know when to go thru smaller, initial ideas without engaging in anything “bigger”. I’m always going thru sounds etc on my laptop and feeling it out, and if I find something that strikes me, it’s then that I put everything else aside and start working. You can’t be writing songs all the time, but you can be looking for ideas most of the time.

I hope I don’t sound very contradictory, having said what I just said, but sometimes, starting a job properly and taking the first step is all it takes to get it done. The laziness demon is often there and you just gotta beat it; you know you’d wrap up that one song if you only started – and that’s all it takes sometimes. With this I mean a situation where I know it takes one session for me to get a song finished and deep inside myself I know it’s not a lot and on the other hand I also crave for the moment I can start playing around with new ideas…but I can’t take the first step. I kind of avoid it. Read forums, peep the Twitter timeline, try to think of something, anything, but not the song/project I know I can finish with one decent session – if I just start it.

What might help here? Well, sometimes I kind of trick myself into working. What I do in a situation like that is that I allow myself to start a session and I give myself the permission to stop it immediately if I start feeling bored or forced – and 80 % of the time I find myself working on the song and spending 1–3 hours with it. And it’ll be a wrap or at least I make good progress, and I’m glad I started.

Writing music is similar with physical exercise in the sense that the more regular you make it, the more you will get out of it and the easier it is to keep it regular. I do my best to run or go for a good, long, hearty walk 3–4 times a week. I find it almost necessary to “keep it up to keep it up”. Keeping it regular helps with momentum: it becames part of your routine and you don’t want to skip it. But if you skip it a few times, the laziness demon is there – isn’t it! You skipped it yesterday, let’s skip it today, and it definitely won’t be hard to skip it tomorrow…all this while you actually know you want to do it. We’re funny like that.

Having said everything I said above, I must also admit that even though it does help to wait for the “right moment” and the “perfect” state of mind, it must be admitted that what “creativity” and “inspiration” also have in common with exercising is that “creativity” and “inspiration” are work – and you need to put the work in. Period. They are often represented in a very romanticized light. For those who produce material on the regular, it isn’t always easy or a sweet, beautiful incident; you won’t find those things at the end of a rainbow. The virgins ain’t gonna fall down from the heavens and pour Creativity Cocktails in your cup. No. Sometimes you just need to make it happen. Let me finish this by a great quote from Resound’s Facebook page:
Let go of waiting for inspiration to strike: Inspiration is for amateurs. I wake up every morning, rain or shine, feeling great or sore, and I get to work. Not because I’m a machine, or a better person than anyone, but because I have systems that I depend on — not willpower or inspiration.
Waiting for inspiration to strike is a quick way to randomly pursue something, then give up, only to yo-yo back a couple weeks later, eventually leading you to hate yourself. Trust me, I have enough hate for all of you. I really don’t need you to hate yourself.
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Re: Thinking out loud...

Post by fragments » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:09 pm

This whole creativity discussion always amuses me as I feel like making electronic music has become so formulaic for people at both the macro and micro level--what are the exact filter and FX settings to get this synth patch. How exactly should I structure my song to achieve x, y and z.

How are you supposed to feel energized when all you do every time you sit down is paint by numbers? Everyone has to start somewhere and I get that some people really want to write dancefloor tunes...but so much music smacks of this paint by numbers mentality and then there is all this complaint of not feeling inspired...it kinda seems like, well no shit guys...

Or am I just being grumpy?

Good article though wub, I think reinforcing that making music ought to be a practice is a good thing!
SunkLo wrote: If ragging on the 'shortcut to the top' mentality makes me a hater then shower me in haterade.

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