1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

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1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by wub » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:06 am

Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?"

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Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?



(Yes, this does work on the basic principle that you want to get the car instead of a goat)

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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by dickman69 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:08 am

The first pick is 1/3

The second pick is 1/2

Better chance in 2nd pick

Better switch
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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by Riddles » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:09 am

rayman612 wrote:The first pick is 1/3

The second pick is 1/2

Better chance in 2nd pick

Better switch
yup, pretty simple really
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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by garethom » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:10 am

Yeah.

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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by ascent » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:55 am

I don't know why I come here anymore may as well stay on bb.com :lol:

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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by wub » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:56 am

ascent wrote:I don't know why I come here anymore may as well stay on bb.com :lol:
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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by m8son666 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:16 am

yeah its best to switch, derren brown explains why in detail in one of his books but i don't remember
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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by Riddles » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:18 am

its also in 21. that film with kevin spacey
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soronery wrote:Too easy to sit behind a keyboard with a playlist of dubstep tunes on, arguing about the defintion of a word in relation to a sound.
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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by test_recordings » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:45 am

I wouldn't because I'm a stubborn arse like that.

Everyone else says they would though it seems
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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by Samuel_L_Damnson » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:10 pm

I would rather have the goat tho :P
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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by AxeD » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:06 pm

Switching makes the chance on getting the car 2/3, not switching basically gives you
a 1 in 3 chance. When I approach it logically though, I say it doesn't matter :)
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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by lovelydivot » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:38 pm

No - It's been reduced to a 50/50 - doesn't matter.

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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by wub » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:40 pm

lovelydivot wrote:No - It's been reduced to a 50/50 - doesn't matter.
Has it?

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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by Nihilism » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:41 pm

wub wrote:
lovelydivot wrote:No - It's been reduced to a 50/50 - doesn't matter.
Has it?
There's a 50/50 chance that it did.

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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by Riddles » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:45 pm

Contestants who switch have a 2/3 chance of winning the car, while contestants who stick to their choice have only a 1/3 chance. One way to see this is to notice that, 2/3 of the time, the initial choice of the player is a door hiding a goat. When that is the case, the host is forced to open the other goat door, and the remaining closed door hides the car. "Switching" only fails to give the car when the player picks the "right" door (the door hiding the car) to begin with. But, of course, that will only happen 1/3 of the time.

from the wiki on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem
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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by AxeD » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:55 pm

That kind of spoils it, but yeah that's what I thought as well.

Wonder if it's actually the case when you do the experiment 100 times though.
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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by ezza » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:02 pm

pickled me :lol:

this guy explains it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r6JR6Zw_Yk (spoiler lol)
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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by mIrReN » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:33 pm

no why would I? If I get a goat I can milk it + just download the car
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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by wub » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:34 pm

mIrReN wrote:no why would I? If I get a goat I can milk it + just download the car
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Re: 1000 math PhDs got this wrong - the Monty Hall problem

Post by lovelydivot » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:11 pm

OH OK I get it...

Bu that's not based on math - That's based on educated assumption being the premise of the reveal.

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