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Genetically engineered food

Post by nousd » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:01 pm

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following on from ^ threads, I've been revisiting my objections to Monsanto's operations
and am still convinced that they have acted unethically to push their interests

but
I'm now not so sure about genetically-modified agricultural products
because there seems to be evidence that, where they are being grown, the use of pesticides/weedicides has dramatically reduced
and, even more importantly, the pressure to clear forests for agriculture has diminished because existing farmland can be more efficiently used.

the notorious mouse tumour (from eating GM food) research seems to be a bit dodgy too.

not totally convinced or comfortable with it yet
but, given human food requirements, I'm willing to change my mind if I find I've been overly cautious or reactive.
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Post by dickman69 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:05 pm

thats the point of them

to eliminate pesticides/hormones

honestly never understood why ppl were so mad about them
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Post by test_recordings » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:22 pm

The notorious tumour research wasn't dodgy, even after coming under fire for all kinds of shit no-one could find a fault with it. It got retracted for being inconclusive which is against the journal's and science's general principles. Even sketchier is Monsanto getting one of their employees to be an editor of the same journal.

On the other hand, a pro-GM scientist is having TWO papers retracted for bad science! I'll find the links later but that's a huge fuck up because everything quoting it will probably have to be redone
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Re: Genetically engineered food

Post by Riddles » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:39 pm

It's gonna have to happen to meet demands from a growing population. I have no issues with it so long as it is done correctly and tests are conducted. Monsanto is a different matter really, their GM stuff isnt the issue, its more their horrible practices imo.
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Post by titchbit » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:41 pm

rayman612 wrote:honestly never understood why ppl were so mad about them
imo the big reason to be alarmed about gmo's is because the agribusiness companies go to great lengths and spend ridiculous sums of money to hide the details from the public. if they're so sure they're safe, then why are they so scared of letting people do research into them? of letting people know what's in their food? of people finding out?

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Post by dickman69 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:48 pm

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Post by titchbit » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:50 pm

like what?

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Post by dickman69 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:52 pm

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Post by titchbit » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:53 pm

yes but we don't eat NBA referees lol.

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Post by DJoe » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:55 pm

I don't understand how there can be health implications from eating GM food.
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Post by DJoe » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:56 pm

in fact could someone explain the reasons for being against GM food, because I can't think of any
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Post by magma » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:00 pm

rayman612 wrote:honestly never understood why ppl were so mad about them
This.

We've been genetically modifying our food since we started farming - it's just we're finding more reliable ways to do it than cross-breeding these days.

The Monsato worry I've grasped so far is them trying to embed themselves in the food chain so they either monopolise certain seed types or rake profit from poor farmers by selling seeds that will only produce one generation of crops. That's definitely something to keep an eye on, but it doesn't need confusing with GM...
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Post by DJoe » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:02 pm

I think a lot of people don't really understand what GMOs are
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Re: Genetically engineered food

Post by titchbit » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:03 pm

dna splicing is way different from selecting the biggest tomato.

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Post by m8son666 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:08 pm

As far as i am aware American cows/pigs/other meat producing animals have been eating gm food for ages now and there has been no ill effects. 90% of people who have a problem with gmo are ignorant hippies who when asked what is wrong about it would say little more than 'err it's bad'. It's either we utilise gm food or the problem of starving becomes much more widespread. I know which i would prefer.
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Post by garethom » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:10 pm

Starving?

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Post by m8son666 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:12 pm

Yeah lol that was worded badly, I mean as the population expands the only feasible way to meet the needs is by using GM food.
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Post by rockonin » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:12 pm

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The prospect of genetically modified purple tomatoes reaching the shelves has come a step closer.

Their dark pigment is intended to give tomatoes the same potential health benefits as fruit such as blueberries.

Developed in Britain, large-scale production is now under way in Canada with the first 1,200 litres of purple tomato juice ready for shipping.

The pigment, known as anthocyanin, is an antioxidant which studies on animals show could help fight cancer.

Scientists say the new tomatoes could improve the nutritional value of everything from ketchup to pizza topping.

The tomatoes were developed at the John Innes Centre in Norwich where Prof Cathie Martin hopes the first delivery of large quantities of juice will allow researchers to investigate its potential.

"With these purple tomatoes you can get the same compounds that are present in blueberries and cranberries that give them their health benefits - but you can apply them to foods that people actually eat in significant amounts and are reasonably affordable," she said.

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I hope this will serve as a vanguard product where people can have access to something that is GM but has benefits for them”

Prof Cathie Martin
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The tomatoes are part of a new generation of GM plants designed to appeal to consumers - the first types were aimed specifically at farmers as new tools in agriculture.

The purple pigment is the result of the transfer of a gene from a snapdragon plant - the modification triggers a process within the tomato plant allowing the anthocyanin to develop.

Although the invention is British, Prof Martin says European Union restrictions on GM encouraged her to look abroad to develop the technology.

Canadian regulations are seen as more supportive of GM and that led to a deal with an Ontario company, New Energy Farms, which is now producing enough purple tomatoes in a 465 square metre (5,000sq ft) greenhouse to make 2,000 litres (440 gallons) of juice.

According to Prof Martin, the Canadian system is "very enlightened".

"They look at the trait not the technology and that should be a way we start changing our thinking - asking if what you're doing is safe and beneficial, not 'Is it GM and therefore we're going to reject it completely'.

"It is frustrating that we've had to go to Canada to do a lot of the growing and the processing and I hope this will serve as a vanguard product where people can have access to something that is GM but has benefits for them."

The first 1,200 litres are due to be shipped to Norwich shortly - and because all the seeds will have been removed, there is no genetic material to risk any contamination.

The aim is to use the juice in research to conduct a wide range of tests including examining whether the anthocyanin has positive effects on humans. Earlier studies show benefits as an anti-inflammatory and in slowing cancers in mice.

A key question is whether a GM product that may have health benefits will influence public opinion.

A major survey across the European Union in 2010 found opponents outnumbered supporters by roughly three to one. The last approval for a GM food crop in the EU came in 1998.

Prof Martin hopes that the purple tomato juice will have a good chance of being approved for sale to consumers in North America in as little as two years' time.

She and other plant researchers in the UK hope that GM will come to be seen in a more positive light.

Legacy of distrust
Earlier on Friday, scientists at Rothamsted Research in Hertfordshire announced that they were seeking permission for field trials for a GM plant that could produce a "fish oil".

In a parallel project, they have been cultivating a type of GM wheat that is designed to release a pheromone that deters aphids.

Professor Nick Pidgeon, an environmental psychologist at Cardiff University, has run opinion polls and focus groups on GM and other technologies.

He says that a legacy of distrust, including from the time of mad cow disease, will cause lasting concern.

"Highlighting benefits will make a difference but it's only one part of the story which is quite complex.

"People will still be concerned that this is a technology that potentially interferes with natural systems - they'll be concerned about big corporations having control over the technology and, at the end of the day, you feed it to yourself and your children and that will be a particular concern for families across the UK."

"To change that quite negative view that people had 10-15 years ago will take quite a long time - it'll take a demonstration of safety, a demonstration of good regulation and of the ability to manage the technology in a safe way. And that doesn't happen overnight."
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Post by m8son666 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:13 pm

They should put fluoride in food imo
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Post by titchbit » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:16 pm

m8son wrote:As far as i am aware American cows/pigs/other meat producing animals have been eating gm food for ages now and there has been no ill effects. 90% of people who have a problem with gmo are ignorant hippies who when asked what is wrong about it would say little more than 'err it's bad'. It's either we utilise gm food or the problem of starving becomes much more widespread. I know which i would prefer.
okay but at least allow consumer's to make the choice, right? i see no reason why not to, unless you're scared because you know it's terrible for people's health.

also the whole 'we've been eating genetically modified food since the beginning of farms' thing is not totally true. again, dna splicing is completely different from artificial selection. we haven't been genetically modifying things in the realm of 2 species until very very recently. it's always been within one species (artificial selection).

im not necessarily against gmo's or whatever. i wouldn't make that judgment until there's actually evidence that proves their (un)safe. i still eat them, i don't give much of a fuck. but you gotta admit the way these companies use money to block research into the health effects of their products and stop people from knowing what is in their food is pretty fucking suspicious.

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