Ukraine

[ehbes]

Bears party hard. You haven't lived until you've seen a bear do a keg stand

[DiegoSapiens]

like that amazing video that shum(i think) posted in the video thread

[nobody]

[NickUndercover]

I don't think that the EU knows what democracy means. If the majority of the voters choose for Russia, then there's nothing wrong or corrupted about. It's bad for the minority, but that's how democracy works.

I think the main issue for the EU at the moment is whether that vote was a) legal and b) accurate/representative given that there was a big push to boycott the poll by Pro-Ukranian Crimeans.

Self determination is the way to go though... if they want to be Russian and Russia want them to be Russian, let them be Russian.

The EU has been known to dismiss as anti-democratic the referendums whose outcome they didn't like (See Ireland setting up the same referendum over and over until their people finally agree to sign European treaties).

When you don't want to talk about the subject, find flaws in the procedure

[nowaysj]

US Secretary of State John Kerry has warned Russia about the Ukraine crisis, saying the “nationalistic fervor” in Crimea is similar to the build-up before World War II.

During a speech at the State Department on Tuesday, Kerry said he saw a “nationalist fervor which could, in fact, infect in ways that could be very, very dangerous. All you have to do is go back and read in history of the lead up to World War II, and the passions that were released with that kind of nationalistic fervor.”

I'm sorry dude, not enough floride in my water to believe this.

[nowaysj]

I got the chills.

[bennyfroobs]

cba reading the updates in this thread but has anyone pointed out the fact that USA blatantly funded the Ukrainian coup so that USSR would cut off their gas deal with Ukraine and then America could swoop in and offer Ukraine a lovely tasty deal?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/ ... ML20131105

[nowaysj]

Russia is saying that the US supported a coup and thus violated the Budapest Memorandum, therefore allowing Russia to move its military into Ukraine.

If you visit the wiki for the Budapest Memorandum, you'll see clever editors have already revised the entry to show that Russia violated the Memorandum by invading Crimea. So jokes, too bad everyone has to die though.

[faultier]

Russia to move its military into Ukraine.
(...)
Russia violated the Memorandum by invading Crimea. .

"the 1991 Budapest Memorandum allows for Russia to maintain 25,000 troops there permanently to 2042"

so they did not "move" any military there

[nowaysj]

And what did it say about annexing Crimea?

And you keep forgetting about the scope of those troops. Why do you keep forgetting?

[m8son666]

open your eyes dfaultuzr

[nowaysj]

Close your eyes M8son.*

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Permanently

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[m8son666]

i wish m8

[nowaysj]

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Go climb a mountain.

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Seriously, like right now.

[m8son666]

i could climb a tower block

[nowaysj]

You've got a car, shoes, and a mountain. Get to it.

[m8son666]

i'd have to go to wales

[faultier]

And what did it say about annexing Crimea?

last time i checked the news, Russia didnt annex Crimea unless recognizing the referendum by which a majority of Crimeans expressed their wish to join the Russian federation counts as annexion?

[nowaysj]

Don't be coy.

Just listen to Shotgun Joe:

Vice President Biden, citing reports of armed attacks in Ukraine, says Russia is on 'dark path' to isolation - @Reuters

[faultier]